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post #1 of 26 Old 10-11-2011, 09:12 PM Thread Starter
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Check weight please

I have already put pictures of pepper up about a week ago but I am going to put some more up. I know you cant always tell a lot from pictures but any opinions would be great. I have had a few people tell me my boys look good but I think they could look better. I am used to Sammy (palamino) looking almost fat during summer so when he lost weight at the end of winter due to being sick he now looks really skinny to me. In my opinion Apache (chestnut) is the best looking of the three but he as at a stage where he needs just a little weight to cover his ribs a bit better.

Pepper (appy) on the other hand looks awful to me. I don't know how well you can tell in the picture but her ribs show a lot. and you can feel them easily. She does seem to be picking up weight just slowly. She doesn't get ridden at all she is pretty much retired. I think she needs a lot more weight but she seems to be really active, like a lot more then usual she came galloping up the paddock to me and did a big buck out of excitement for brekky. It was funny because I have never seen her buck before.
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post #2 of 26 Old 10-12-2011, 12:23 AM
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Hi, yes, hard to say from just a couple of pics, but I agree the chestnut looks fine, your pally is possibly a bit fat and your appy looks a bit poor. Interested to know how old the appy is & her story? Have you had a bodyworker or such to check her out? I wonder if it's not a body issue rather than weight prob, as it appears it's lack of topline muscle & that funky looking sacro area.

Don't forget different horses carry weight differently & types are built differently too. It looks to me like the appy is a lot lighter build anyway, and IMO to feel the ribs is good generally, but to see them easily generally means the horse is underweight, but I don't think it's necessarily so.
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Honestly I think the sorrel is thin, too. Yes, it's mostly muscle he's missing, but he should not be so sunken in over the tail head and behind the withers, nor in the hips. His hooves need some serious work, too. Long toes, underrun heels.

And the Appaloosa, as you know, as in poor condition. How old is she? Have you had bloodwork done on her? What kind of feed are all these guys getting? Have their teeth been floated?
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Honestly I think the sorrel is thin, too. Yes, it's mostly muscle he's missing, but he should not be so sunken in over the tail head and behind the withers, nor in the hips. His hooves need some serious work, too. Long toes, underrun heels.
Agree with hoof comment. Looking at the rest of the horse weight-wise & looking at his lumbar spine especially, I don't know that he's under weight at all, but there is also a body issue too.
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post #5 of 26 Old 10-12-2011, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for your opinion but I would not say the Qh (pally) is fat he is just not as leaner build as the other two. I would not say he is under weight but his ribs do show a bit when you see him in person.

About there hooves they are seeing the farrier tomorrow. I have had some trouble with the Tb's hooves and we are working on them. As he is a week overdue his look worse then what they normally would. I just haven't had the time to organise anything until now which has really frustrated me.

I do agree my tb needs a bit more weight but I do also think it has a lot to do with muscle as well.

With the Appy she is 27 yrs old and during winter she started to look off and I realised the boys were starting to bother while she was eating. I managed to stop her from losing more weight then what she did but until now I had been having trouble putting weight back on her. Now winter is over I have been able to see a slow gain in weight on her. If by body worker you mean someone like a chiropractor, then yes and he said she is ok and quite flexible for a horse of her age.

I feed her, her hay about 4.30 in the morning before I have to leave for school during weekdays (before 6.30 on weekends cause of work). Then I'm not home all day most days. Then ranging from 3.30pm to 5pm I give her her hay and get on with making the rest of the feed. I soak about 500grams of speedibeet for her which swells to about 2kilos (If I remember correctly). Added to this is a couple of tablespoons of vitamin/mineral supplement, some garlic, 1 scoop (about 250grams) of copra meal, 1 scoop of economy meal, then half a cup of soy bean meal. This is all mixed in with a bucket of lucerne chalf. The hay is lucerne hay. Apache (chestnut) gets the same as Pepper and Sammy (pally) gets a little bit of millrun/pollard which has been wet down instead of the speedibeet just to mix all the other stuff into.

Also we are going to be moving in the next couple of weeks due to family issues which means there is going to be a big financial strain. So my mum has been saying that we are going to have to sell Pepper because we aren't going to be able to afford to look after all three and she said pepper is the one should get sell because we can't ride her. I feel like I have given up on her after all she has done for me so I don't know .

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I'm not familiar with a lot of those Australian terms....

She should be on a good soaked senior feed, in my opinion, and something with calories and fat. Again, have the teeth been floated? Has a vet checked for any underlying physical problems that could be preventing weight gain?
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Ok sorry I missed that question. Her teeth haven't been done yet this year but she will be getting done soon though she isn't due for another couple of months. Last time she was done I was told her teeth are wearing out but are still pretty good for a horse of her age.

I'm not sure what australian terms you meant. If you tell me I could help you? If you are talking abou the feeds they are all stuff that help with weight gain.

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All the copra and lucerne and all that. Beats me what those are. All I know is that she likely needs calories and fat....and bloodwork wouldn't hurt, either. Heck, for all you know your feeding program is perfectly fine, but she has internal cancer that's just sapping all the nutrients from where she needs it. Not to scare you, just hypethetical. Just nice to know what you're dealing with.
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Copra is like a weight gaining supplement and lucerne is like alfa alfa hay I'm not sure if it is a bit different or the same thing with a different name. I have thought of getting the vet out to do some sort of test. I just know how my mum feels about it because of money even though I would pay for it especially if she felt it was a waste of time if nothing came up. I do know what you mean with the cancer and that because I didn't have the same problem after winter last so I am suspicous myself. I also don't particularly trust the vet in my area who does large animals.

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How much hay is she getting? Are her teeth in good enough condition that she can actually chew the hay?

To me it sounds like you are not feeding her enough (or the thoroughbred).

My hard keeper thoroughbred gets

500g speedibeet
500g flaked lupins
1kg copra
2kgs mitavite gumnuts

Plus his supplements. This gets split between a morning and a night feed as horses can better digest smaller meals multiple times a day, than one large meal.

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