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post #11 of 16 Old 01-11-2011, 02:52 PM Thread Starter
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I too agree with contacting SmartPak. Their Consultants are very knowledgeable and can help you get started in the right direction. They aren't pushy, they listen very well, they answer questions asked, and do not make you feel like you have to purchase any product.

Now the issue I have, is that there have been many studdies done on Joint Suppliments oral and IM's, and what concerns me is that the Oral Suppliments fall under the Equine Nutrition category, which means, rules and regulations are not that strict. Soooo, what they say is, due to this, companies can say that "This" and "This" ingredient is in the suppliment, when in reality there isn't. Or they can say that "This much" and "This much" of a dose are in the product, when, the doses are not even close. Etc, etc, etc.

And, also, studdies have been done on how effective the product is after the horse eats it up. The process it has to go through, in order for it to get to the joint...is long and strenuous - and by the time it gets to where it needs to be, only a small amount in compareson to the dose given, only gets there.

So, make sure you do your research and as stated already, make sure the product has the NASC stamp of approval on the product. And understand that oral suppliments are wishy washy. They may work, they may not. You may be spending good money, you may be flushing it down the toilet.

Where, IM's like Adequan, Legend, Polyglycam, Glucosamine - fall under the Equine Medical category, where rules and regulations are very strict and closely followed. So, the product is, what the company states the product is. The ingredients are, exactly what is stated. What the company states the product does, the product does.

I say, get the fellow on an IM. I have my 21 year old TB on Adequan, and the difference was night and day after he got his first dose. His reaction to the first dose, made our decision to not do the loading dose. He gets his IM once a month, and has been doing very well on it. He has arthritus in his hind right hock.

The choice is yours, if you want to go oral, make sure you do your research. I hope all goes well for you and your boy! What you are doing for him, is a great thing!

Thanks for the informative post =) I appreciate it, from you and the rest of the posters. Unfortunately, oral is our only option. He doesn't tolerate needles well at all so it would stress him out too much to do anything except an oral supplement. I think I'm going to do some more research to make sure that I'm giving him the best possible chance with the supplement. And I'll do some more looking at smartpak.
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That is great, but different things in combination work differently on different horses, and again-none of them are any good if they won't eat it. Also-there ARE many, it can get very confusing. It can be helpful to know what is working for other people. There is nothing wrong with asking. It is also a form of research, and not a "flavor of the month" selection. Your statement insinuates that the rest of us are idiots.
My goodness sakies, you are just far too sensitve and take words far too literal and personal

Yes different things work in combination and work differently. I was not referring to that, I was referring to the fact that some companies use fillers and the product (glucosamine/chondroitin/msm for example) can possibly have something else in it and therefore not 100% pure.

That can, in turn, cause the product to not work as efficiently. It won't harm the horse at all, but it will take MORE product to reach success. More product usage means more $$$ for the company that sold it - get it?

Those three things in combo work very well and it takes very little to make them work well if the product is guranteed by its company to be pure and not have fillers in it. I would rather pay more up front and feed less because over the long haul it saves money and my horse.

Lots of folks on the equine world-wide web love and swear by SmartPak. Without a doubt, I can see it's advantages when a person is in a boarding situation.

I am not in a boarding situation and since SmartPak can't tell me WHO they buy their products from, I don't trust the particular things I need to be pure. I have not one but two insulin resistant horses and I need to be 110% sure of what goes into their little persons.

So my point to what I said, that you managed to take offense to, was just because everyone else is feeding something and appears to be happy with it, do the research to be sure one is getting what one is paying for.
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Injections are the way to go! My vet had his own joint injections formulated. It cost me $350 for a vile and that is 10 injections or $35 a month.. much cheaper than the feed through supplements and very effective. Injections become way cheaper when you can give them yourself and like MIE said.. they are closely regulated. Most of the decent joint supplements are $50 +... injectables are the better value in my opinion. Adequan would be a good start as it is known to rebuild cartilage and can be given IM which are very simple and most horses get over quickly.

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Walk-I think you thought I was more offended than I was. My point is that some of the "fillers" may make it more palletable and make the difference as to whether or not a horse will take it.

Being a boarder has nothing to do with me liking Smartpak. It has to do with their knowledge, helpfulness, overall customer service, as well as willingness to send numerous samples of product to ensure that you get the one that works for you.

I understand your need to be super careful. Most of us don't have to be quite that aware of everything that enters our horse.

I have seen great results from the injectables also, but unless/until the orals quit working for my guy, I wouldn't put him through that, nor would I want to have to have the vet monthly to administer it. I am of the opinion that there would be greater risk of an infection with any injection as opposed to oral. So, as long as oral works, that will be the solution for me. If I had a show horse, it might be a different story, but still-the nurse in me says that PO is safer.

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Lots of folks on the equine world-wide web love and swear by SmartPak. Without a doubt, I can see it's advantages when a person is in a boarding situation.
I do not board and I love my Smartpaks. I have one horse on three different supplements (old man, easy keeper) and it was a problem making sure he got the right amount of each thing. The scoops looks almost the exact same size so when Mr. AB fed he thought he could use the same scoop for everything.
Buying it in Smartpaks does not cost me any extra per serving and I know every day my horse's supplements are fresh and properly measured.

Add the companies amazing customer service and you can not go wrong.

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I have not one but two insulin resistant horses and I need to be 110% sure of what goes into their little persons.
Persons?

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So my point to what I said,<snip> was just because everyone else is feeding something and appears to be happy with it, do the research to be sure one is getting what one is paying for.
This I totally agree with!
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I have used cortaflx with great success also.
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