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        05-16-2014, 03:29 AM
      #21
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    This is one way of adjusting the SI depending on how it has misaligned.
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        05-16-2014, 10:51 AM
      #22
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    Another question - if you try to lift his dock is it easy or does he clamp it down?
    He didn't try to clamp it, but he resisted after lifting it about an inch or two. I noticed he barely lifted it to pee today. Usually it goes almost straight up and over. Not sure how much was due to it being cold out, though. I brought him in the barn where it was warmer to check if he clamps it.


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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    

    This is one way of adjusting the SI depending on how it has misaligned.
    Definitely didn't do any of that! With either chiro.
         
        05-16-2014, 12:43 PM
      #23
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    I saw the same thing in a horse that had severe sacroiliac damage.
    After 2 years of chiro., massage, physio, box rest, pasture rest, and a spell in Bristol (UK) Vet Hospital it was decided that he was never going to fully recover.
    He would be OK for a month and then start to collapse again when I got on
    I would get X rays done to confirm what's going wrong and how bad it is before parting with too much money on back adjustments
         
        05-16-2014, 12:57 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    That's interesting. I'm sure the previous owner knew something was off with Zeus, she sold him as a senior for light riding. He's 12, and (was) great for trail riding and a pleasure class every so often, I don't do any hard riding. Thinking I aggravated an old injury while lunging, then again with the farrier.

    Jaydee, did they ever inject the SI? I'm trying to read up on how effective any treatments are, just in case it turns out he did damage one of the ligaments. Which it's sounding like he did.

    I've read that Xrays are costly since you'd have to sedate and put them on their back. Ultrasound or bone scans seem to be the better way to do it, but I have no idea until my vet gets out here and we discuss it. I don't know why the other vet didn't mention anything about SI joint back in November, he just said that his back was sore.

    Anyway, Zeus is a lot less sore in his lower back today. Vet doesn't want him on any supplements or painkillers for the appointment, and I'm not sure how long DMG stays in the system, so I quit that. Just gave him a gram of bute in the morning- keeping track of the days I give it to him, don't want stomach problems on top of everything.
         
        05-17-2014, 11:40 AM
      #25
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    I'm not sure what sort of injections you mean. We did try injecting with pain medications and a muscle relaxant was used when he had any Chiro work done
    I had this horse in the 1980's and the methods they now have for looking 'inside' the horse are so much better than they were then when it was a case of sedating them to do X rays - which is what was done with that horse. I had him insured for vets fees so all of that was covered
         
        05-17-2014, 03:57 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I think they inject cortisone as close as they can to the joint, and it diffuses the rest of the way. Or at least that's how I understand it from here: http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/AAEP...0102000257.PDF Neither of our horses have insurance, so it's all out of pocket

    Of course I won't know anything for sure until the vet gets here. Just waiting on him. He rehabbed my friend's mare who tore a ligament in one of her legs and was out for two years. Lots of stall rest and laser therapy, but she's back in lessons as of a few weeks ago, 100% sound. I have confidence in him. I have no idea what to expect for Zeus though. If he's pasture sound, that's fine. If he's only light riding, that's fine, too. As long as he's comfortable.

    Zeus is feeling tons better today. Almost no soreness in his back! But same as he always has been in his plunky walk. Thinking about getting something from Back on Track to help. I've been rubbing liniment on him and twiddling my thumbs waiting for his appointment.
         
        05-17-2014, 04:47 PM
      #27
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    When it comes to misalignment it is always hard to tell exactly where a horse is 'wrong'

    Years ago I went to a chiropractor who uses Applied Kinesiology to diagnose where a patient is misaligned and which way. He did not treat horses but the AK fascinated me.
    Very briefly AK works by working on the magnetic fields we all have. A human stands with arms outstretched to the sides, the Dr presses down on the arms and there can be resistance. Turn the body left and arms are still strong, turn to the right and there will be no strength in one or the other arm. Lots of testing and a diagnosis is made before treatment. It seemed impossible to ask a horse to hold a leg out and resist! However it can be used through a third person.

    A person stands facing the chiropractor, one hand on the horse's ribs and the other outstretched and strong. The Chiro has one hand on the person's shoulder and the other presses on a joint. If the horse is straight the arm stays strong if not then the arm has no strength at all.
    I have seen farriers stand arm out no you could swing of it and it wouldn't move but if the horse is wrong then they cannot hold the arm up because the strength is drained from it by misalignment.

    Having worked with this for years, what has been found is that a horse can be misaligned in the shoulder and will rotate on the diagonal quarter to compensate or visa versa. This gives the muscle tension across the back.
    It is very rare for a horse to misalign through the actual spine. Most corrections are to correct previous corrections!

    Once a horse has been treated and most importantly, muscle memory is also altered so that they do not pull the alignment back out, the horse rarely needs a second treatment and all tension across the back has disappeared.

    He reason I asked about his tail, whether it was easy to lift his dock or whether he tried to clamp it down, is because many times when foals, people will get hold of the tail and pull it to get the foal to move. This misaligns the dock. There is no adverse noticeable difference to the foal but this cause tension by the withers. Straighten the dock and the horse os much freer in his action.

    AK works in a similar way to Acupuncture in that it is working on the meridians and magnetic points. The difference is that Acupuncture frees the meridians, AK is diagnostic.
         
        05-17-2014, 06:20 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by LemonZeus    
    I went out to feed tonight and checked his back. Not even a pound of pressure and he sinks away from it. Gave him a gram of bute to hopefully make it less painful
    They should ultra sound his back. He may need injections in his back. It isn't as difficult as hock injections
         
        05-17-2014, 06:51 PM
      #29
    Showing
    Have you investigated Kissing Spine? Short backed horses are more prone to this.
         
        05-17-2014, 08:10 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    My horse had her SI injected. It did not help. No one knows what is wrong with her, but her symptoms are an inability to canter. She is okay at the trot (and maybe a grade 2 lameness with flexions), but at the canter she falls apart and cross canters, crow hops and is uncomfortable.

    I still don't know what is wrong with her. X rays are normal. Your horse's symptoms seem to fit kissing spine more than SI injury. Do you have any videos of him trotting on the lunge?
         

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