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  • Strangulated lipoma symptoms
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    08-02-2012, 12:02 AM
  #11
Foal
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
You need to start calling around and find an emergency Vet.

By next Monday, there is a very good chance you won't have a horse for him to examine.

Agreed, whatever this is, its serious.

Im not a vet, but if it was me this is what I would do until you got a hold of an emergency vet. My vet was at a clinic for the day, and I did the best I could to deal with the symptoms until she could come the next morning. More than a day or two will be TOO LONG!

If there is a fever, and the skin feels sweaty/clammy, you need to address situation with banamine and hose them down with cool water. I would also take away any grain for now.

What were the instructions your vet gave you for now?
     
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    08-02-2012, 12:43 AM
  #12
Yearling
Sounds like choke to me
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    08-02-2012, 12:44 AM
  #13
Foal
Lonesome ranch ...
His Manure was slightly softer then normal but looked normal otherwise
His heart rate and temp are within the normal range however the Banamine might be helping to regulate that. The symptoms you just described are pretty accurate to what he is doing so intestinal infection might be it . What did you do for your mare that helped ?
Delfina I live in the middle of nowhere the emergency vet is the one that is coming out monday my Truck is in the shop getting the transmission replaced otherwise I would have taken him in somewhere by now nursing him along is about the only option to me at the moment. He is not getting worse just not getting better either its been close to 48 hours now.
     
    08-02-2012, 12:48 AM
  #14
Foal
The instructions from the vet were Banimine every 8-12 hours
And walk him if he starts trying to roll while he lays down or if he has little or no stomach sound
Don't let him stay down for more then an hour at a time
Give hime the mineral oil we allready gave him
Offer plenty of water
And he seems to be in a holding pattern with all of that stuff
     
    08-02-2012, 12:49 AM
  #15
Foal
Thanks for the quick replies I appreciate it
     
    08-02-2012, 01:40 AM
  #16
Foal
Even though you've answered I will say it again - he needs to be seen by a vet. Have you called every single vet within a couple of hours of you? Are you sure?

If you can't get a vet to come to you, go to a vet. Call around, find somebody to help you haul, a friend or a hire someone...

If all that has been ruled out, which I really have a hard time believing if you are in North America, then I would be prepared to put this horse down quickly if he starts to go downhill.
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    08-02-2012, 03:45 AM
  #17
Green Broke
I find it difficult to believe that there is only one vet in the area. Even harder to believe that an "emergency" vet would say "sorry can't make it till Monday".

You need to be proactive. Find a vet. Find a truck. You are doing very wrong by your horse if you just sit by and try to get him through until Monday.
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    08-02-2012, 04:43 AM
  #18
Foal
I sort of understand the middle of nowhere thing. A friend of mine recently just moved, and the vet in her area does routine shots, but will not go on emergency calls, because they say its "too far". She doesnt own a truck and trailer. She's having a very hard time trying to find a vet that will come, even if they are 2+ hours away, and most it seems just don't want to do it. She's trying to find someone now, before an emergency occurs, and she said she's having a really hard time.

For my mare, this started with lack of appetite on friday, fever on saturday, sunday. My vet came out on monday. Blood work came back tuesday, and we started antibiotics on wednesday. So she spent almost 6 days like this with my nursing her, before we were able to pinpoint the issue and start treatment.

Im not going to badger you about the vet. Keep trying to find one, or a truck. In the meantime, do the best you can. You need to get some blood work done asap. Does this horse have all of its vaccinations? Flu/rhino, tetanus, etc? Could be a virus, or a flu, or inflammation due to parasite damage. Then again could be none of those things... but ill do the best I can to help you.

Remember, Im not a vet, so take my advice at your own risk. If this was me, this is what I would do. #1 contact a vet, keep calling, and keep trying to find a vehicle to haul you somewhere. #2 keep in contact with your current vet, keep them updated on the situation and follow their instructions. #3 check their vitals often, heart rate/temp/manure/gut noises/gum color, etc. Going on the idea that this is some sort of colic-related situation. Rmember, colic covers a wide range of things...

No more grain for now, if theres any inflammation, grain will make it worse. My vet said I could offer hay and water. If they are uninterested in water, you can soak alfalfa cubes in a bucket of water and offer that, to try to avoid dehydration. Before you give another dose of banamine, check the temp to see if its going up as the banamine wears off. If theres an infection, the banamine will keep it down for a short time, but it will probably go back up, as you get closer to 8 hours.

If a fever develops: You can hose them off with cold water, I did this once an hour for 14 hours actually. And then every other hour through the night. Laying down quietly is ok, rolling and thrashing around isnt. YOu already know that and are addressing that part.

My mare had bloodwork, and even so, her white blood cell count WASNT up! My vet said it was probably a localized infection. We treated her with Bactrim anyways, and I saw an immediate improvement after 12 hours. Its been a week now since the Bactrim was started and she's back to normal, but I had 4-5 really bad days with her!

Im sorry that you are having such a hard time finding a vet. Its super important that you have him seen before monday!
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    08-02-2012, 07:51 AM
  #19
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When the vet finally graces you with his/her presence, PLEASE ask him not about fore and hind gut ulcers but about lipomas.

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    • Strangulating Lipoma
    This is a fatty benign tumor that is round in shape and is attached to the mesentery via a long narrow cord. They vary in size from 5cm in diameter to bigger than an orange. They may entwine around the intestines causing a strangulating obstruction. The entwined intestine is often severely damaged and requires removal under general anaesthesia
Colic-Endell Veterinary Group - Equine Hospital

You can also Google "equine lipomas" and get a lot of credible hits; credible as in vets and/or university sites.

My 25 yr old has colicked no less than five times since this past March. He's been with me 22 years and never had so much as a tummy twinge before now.

My vet is supicious of lipmas but there's no way to test for them, unless I want to truck this horse 5 hours to the university. No point in that as there is nothing that can be done about them anyway; I don't have Mitt Romney's dressage money.

He has Equine Metabolic Syndrome and I'm willing to blame that but who knows.

Anyway, regardless of your horse's age, lipomas could be a distinct possibility. Do your research and compare your horse's symptoms to what you read. That will give you some credibility when you talk to the vet.

It wouldn't hurt to print anyone of the lipoma articles off and show it to your vet, if your vet scoffs at the idea.

That all said, my horse is on rigid diet. Absolutely no grain. Most of the time he can eat his Triple Crown Senior and their 30% ration balancer.

This morbid heat/humidity we're locked into has affected his eating so all he is currently eating is rice bran with a handful of carrots/apples crushed in the blender. I do that to get his insulin herbs and arthritis meds down him.

He is also on Succeed because he tested positive for hind gut ulcers --- $90 a month Succeed

SUCCEED Digestive Conditioning Program Equine Supplement Succeed makes a fecal kit for vets to where they can check for ulcers.

I hope this helps, good luck
     
    08-02-2012, 12:27 PM
  #20
Banned
It's absolutely appalling that the vet would say they cannot come out til Monday. I cannot even fathom that.

You need to borrow a truck from someone and get the horse seen.
     

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