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    11-08-2011, 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Kayty    
He looks like a good weight - I wouldn't be worried at all :) It's good to be able to lightly feel their ribs
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    11-08-2011, 12:22 AM
He may have more, but to me in the photos you can't see too much rib at all, only a shadow of ribs. I would much rather have a horse a little light on than too fat, particularly if you're dealing with arthritis. He has a lovely glossy coat, good muscular condition and a shadow of rib. I think he looks in excellent health :)
    11-08-2011, 12:35 AM
Particularly given what you now know about his arthritis, keeping him on the lean side will help him.. Carrying any extra weight, even what I call "show weight" increases the burden on this joints.

Hylurunic acid or synthetic joint fluid probably will no longer help since he's bone on bone, steriod injections *may* help short term because they relieve the inflammation. They also make the horse a *lot* more comfortable and more willing to move and exercise.

I am going to side with bubba on the bute issue. If the bute works for him and makes him comfortable, I say go for it and just monitor him for ulcers. It's a quantity of life vs. quality of life question - would you rather that he have more in pain years, or fewer years but relatively pain free ones? And before anyone acuses me of being callous, let me assure you that's how I make decisions about treating my own osteoarthritis.

Horseychic, I am so sorry. I know you adore your horse and have been struggling to give him the best life you can. I know this is a terrible blow.
    11-08-2011, 12:41 AM
I can understand your reasoning re Bute Maura, and it is up to the OP to make that call. Personally I would be looking at other alternatives other than Bute before deciding to Bute on a long term basis. And to be honest, I would rather put a horse down or retire it rather than bute them continuously just to ride.
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    11-08-2011, 12:50 AM
My old fella is a buted-up pasture puff, and has been for a couple years. No detectable signs of problems (fat, dappled, and shiny as always), and gets around well enough to buy him a reasonable quality of life. I'm too afraid to take him off the bute to see what he'd look like without it.
    11-08-2011, 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Kayty    
He may have more, but to me in the photos you can't see too much rib at all, only a shadow of ribs. I would much rather have a horse a little light on than too fat, particularly if you're dealing with arthritis. He has a lovely glossy coat, good muscular condition and a shadow of rib. I think he looks in excellent health :)
    11-08-2011, 07:41 AM

I understand your position as well. I think relying on daily bute so a horse can compete or be ridden heavily is a poor decision.

However, I based my answer ot the OP mostly on some previous experience. I had a much beloved senior citizen who tolerated daily bute well for years, and it was really the thing that helped most consistently after supplements, hyluronic acid injections, cortisone injections and finally acupuncture failed to help him any longer. I was very fortunate that he was an individual that tolerated daily bute well.

And in the OP's case, since the horse is relatively young, I do think it's best if she get him comfortable enough to tolerate light trail riding.
    11-08-2011, 08:17 AM
Hmm, I can see both sides, but being so young, I wouldn't personally keep a horse in this condition in any ridden work, a stable companion at the most.

Bute is effective, but long term can have serious effects, same as humans taking a paracetemol every day, really! I have only ever used bute once on one of my own horses after she was kicked by another. I don't understand why bute is sometimes used cure for things, when its purely masking the pain. You've got to think about winter, too. I don't know how cold it gets where you are, but boggy fields, cold nights etc, and being a young horse, how long are you planning on keeping him on bute for? Hope your vets has a cheap supply ;)

Have you looked in to homeopathic things? I used Rhux Tox on my 19yo dressage horse last winter as he was showing huge signs of stiffness, and we did a small comp and led a quadrille! You'd have to speak to someone with more experience though.

There are lots of options, but you know your horse better. Good luck, and speak to your vet, and perhaps another vet. Can never do any harm having a second opinion.
    11-09-2011, 01:05 PM
Vet said to just give Previcox for now. No bute since it wasn't working. He said to go ahead and ride him because the damage is already done. He said if anything, riding will help (which it has) since he seizes up when he sits too long

arthritis, osteoarthritis, pain, standardbred, stifle

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