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post #11 of 13 Old 12-24-2012, 03:04 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk View Post
Regular worming for "regular worms" does not affect Neck Threadworms

I know it's a contradiction to double dose a horse with pure Ivermectin and I don't get it but, double-dosing with pure Ivermectin does work and worming a horse for stomach worms on a regular basis does not

It is my understanding, a horse can have these microfiliae under their skin "forver", if they aren't wormed specifically to get rid of them.

These nasty little creatures can also migrate into the eyes. They can be the cause of uveitis and eventual blindness in some instances. That can all be Googled and substantiated.

While the sulphur sounds like a great idea, I would be careful applying it to open sores as it does burn. MTG is NOT something to use on open sores.

It's doubtful anyone would want to paint your horse, twice a day, with the ointment mixture I mentioned above; do you have some sort of soothing/medicated spray you could leave at the barn? It would at least be something until you get back.

Keep in mind, the topicals will help relieve the itch/pain but they will not get rid of the microfiliae that are under the skin. Only double-dosing with pure Ivermectin will do that and, again, I don't get how all that works, I just know it does.

I hestiated for a couple years on double-dosing two of my horses but their faces got so bad with sores that would never completely heal, that I held my breath and dosed them anyway, even though they both have ulcers

The double-dosing worked and, thankfully, I only needed to do that one time.

To reiterate, you know if you're dealing with Neck Threadworms if the sores violently erupt into massive itching after the worming, within 24 - 72 hours. That is the microfiliae dieing off and shortly thereafter the hair starts growing back and the horse is comfortable again.
I'm definitely going to be double dosing as soon as I can get a hold of Ivermectin, I'm willing to try anything to make him feel comfortable.

After talking to you and doing some research into it, I'm very surprised the vet did not suggest that this could be a problem, as symptoms and photos of other horses that have it are identical to what Beachy has.

I'm very close with the owners of the boarding facility, And they have offered to help in any way possible (Along with feeding twice a day) which is so fantastic, and I don't know what I'd do without it, I'm extremely lucky.

I'm actually shocked that I didn't know about Neck Threadworms before this, I've never heard any vets talking about it before.

Also question, Would you recommend giving him one Ivermectin, then following with another straight away, or in a few days? (To double dose)

Really appreciate your help
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Do this. Get a whole lot of natural yoghurt. No additives or anything else. Must be natural. Slap it on and leave it. A friend of mine in the UK, had a mare with such a raw and seeping chest and belly, she was about to put her to sleep. This had been going on for a long time and the vets had tried everything. The yoghurt worked. Almost 8 years later, she is still completely healed.

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Double-dosing means one full tube down the hatch with the second full tube ready to go just as soon as you can reach for it - lol lol lol See why it took me two years to work up the nerve

I first learned about NTW's on the COTH forum -- there's a Thread-of-All-Threads on that forum regarding Neck Threadworms, and they talk about the double-dosing.

There were only a few hundred hits on the thread when I first started reading it and I kept thinking "surely not -- you'd kill the horse".

As the seasons changed and I would go back to that thread, I went from "surely not" to "huh, maybe there's something to this", but still never had the nerve.

During all this time neither my original vet nor the current vet ever mentioned NTW's yet they both acknowleged sweet itch on my Arab's belly and the original vet had given my TWH steroid shots for it, the year it got away from me.

It was either June of 2009 or 2010, I read that COTH thread again (boy it had grown by then) and I thought "ok, I am wore out fighting stuff that won't heal, this HAS to be NTW's, so here I go.

I had two tubes per horse (I dosed two of them that day) and gave each horse two full tubes, one tube immediately after the other. The only waiting period was to pull the cap off the end of the second syringe - lol lol

It's something that still doesn't agree with my brain cells, even though I double-dosed everyone last May and nobody has had skin issues since then.

Even the Arab didn't have any sweet itch outbreaks on his belly until late August and it was only one tiny patch right in front of his belly button. Usually I am slathering his entire belly line with diaper rash cream from May into October.

I did dose them in the morning, after they had their supplements and ate hay. I waited just until it was time to open their stalls for daily turnout in the big pasture. I wanted them outside moving around and thinking about eating just in case they did get a tummy twinge from being forced to swallow two full tubes of Ivermectin at once.

If you're on Holiday, I would wait until after the first of the year, just in case you would need to get the vet out and confess your sins. As you can see I am STILL nervous about double-dosing. I don't know who discovered it works but I gotta say once the violent eruptions ended, from the microfiliae dieing after worming, the horses were a lot better looking, more peaceful and listened better.

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