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  • Broodmare with edema in her chest
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    09-19-2012, 03:47 PM
  #11
Yearling
Figured I should up date on Spice. She is acting complete normal, temp normal and all that stuff. Talked to the vet, and they are not a hundred percent sure if it is a heart problem, it still could be but it is still up in the air. They recommend I take her to the vet school but it is 7 hours away and it isn't happening it doesn't matter how much I would at $700 a day I don't have the money.

So action plan, she is hopefully going to be put on lasix (diuretic) to get rid of the edema. They are going to research some other medications and steroids that may be able to help her. And it is going to be a bit trial and error to figure it out. They are hoping it is just a delayed allergic reaction (due to the Dex used to get her breathing again hiding it), and once the fluid is dispersed she'll be okay unless she has another allergic reaction, so she'll be living in a fly suit all summer, fall and spring to make sure she doesn't.

Thanks for everyone that sent good wishes, keep them coming we're going to need it a bit longer until we're out of the woods.
     
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    09-19-2012, 04:02 PM
  #12
Trained
Good to hear she's somewhat better.
Just about sounds like some type of allergic reaction......sting of some kind, snake maybe?
     
    09-19-2012, 04:44 PM
  #13
Yearling
They think it was a bug of some sort, I thought it might have been a bee or wasp but there is no visible sting welt, so we're thinking some sort of flies. It could have developed over time from a sensitivity to an allergy, so could be anything at this point.
     
    09-19-2012, 04:50 PM
  #14
Trained
Sure frustrating, not knowing what is the cause for such a massive reaction.
     
    09-27-2012, 09:52 AM
  #15
Yearling
That's the hardest part, not having a name.

I talked to the vet and one thinks it has to be a heart problem, but I am rather confused. Spice is running, bucking and tearing around her field, and they are telling me if I ride her any amount she's going to kneel over from heart failure. Her pulse is strong, I even asked another more experienced horse person to check it for me. Even with a stethoscope it sounds normal, even after light exercise, aka me and her walking and trotting about in hand.

Yes there is still a little edema in her pasterns and chest but could it not be going away due to lack of movement lately? It's been pouring rain on and off the past week and she only gets some exercise and turnout when it drys up a little, so she doesn't slip in the slick as snot mud.

The vet is coming out next week and we're talking more than, about other possibilities and treatment.
     
    09-27-2012, 09:55 AM
  #16
mls
Trained
Has there been any lab work done? Blood, cultures?
     
    09-27-2012, 10:11 AM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cruiser    
That's the hardest part, not having a name.

I talked to the vet and one thinks it has to be a heart problem, but I am rather confused. Spice is running, bucking and tearing around her field, and they are telling me if I ride her any amount she's going to kneel over from heart failure. Her pulse is strong, I even asked another more experienced horse person to check it for me. Even with a stethoscope it sounds normal, even after light exercise, aka me and her walking and trotting about in hand.

Yes there is still a little edema in her pasterns and chest but could it not be going away due to lack of movement lately? It's been pouring rain on and off the past week and she only gets some exercise and turnout when it drys up a little, so she doesn't slip in the slick as snot mud.

The vet is coming out next week and we're talking more than, about other possibilities and treatment.
Very much possible the lack of movement causes the swelling to not go away. Can you at least hand walk her daily, maybe even twice daily no matter what weather it is? That would get her circulation going and help getting rid of the waste products (swelling).
Don't know much about heart disease in horses, but I had a senior who died from heart failure most likely due to COPD and a mare with the same, COPD and heart failure. The gelding was 26 when he died suddenly, in pasture, chasing a mare in heat, no signs of any distress btw.
The mare was sick, really sick and I had the appointment to put her down, but she decided for herself.
Your horse doesn't sound sick at all(bucking, kickin, running and regular heart beat), which makes me think again it was an allergic reaction.
     
    09-27-2012, 05:46 PM
  #18
Yearling
I have started walking her as much as possible, she's a handful due the lack of exercise, she needs an outlet a 60 foot square paddock is good for a quick run around but not enough room to stretch out like she needs too. I have noticed the edema going down in her chest, and hopefully that will continue. Hopefully her body is just having a hard time getting rid of the fluid.

We didn't pull blood last time the vet was out (when the first reaction happened), and but we are going to beginning of next week. The main concern the first time was to get her breathing. She seemed fine after that so it wasn't a thought to pull than. I am not sure what they would culture, but I am not that experienced with the different tests they run.

From what I can find COPD and heart failure is really rare in such a young horse, she's 12 and in the prime of her life. And she isn't sick, other than the edema everything about her is normal, unless there is something inside, she's not showing anything. I added a picture of her, you can see the fluid in the chest is makes it look lumpy (it has gone down some since the pictures), and the puffy lower back legs. Excuse the lack of muscle tone, she's been out of work for for over a month, and it seems to have disappeared.
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    09-27-2012, 06:03 PM
  #19
Trained
Ehmmm....if you wouldn't have told me about legs and chest I wouldn't have noticed anything....seriously!
I'd look if the puffiness especially in the legs is down after moving. Chest and abdomen retains fluid due to gravity. It will, IMO, go away way faster with movement.

The allergy theory becomes more and more likely, either a sting in the throat area or a reaction to a sting, much like in people who are allergic to bees or wasps.

The COPD related heart failure I mentioned only as an example

I would talk the allergy theory through with the vet, maybe run allergy tests, so, if there is something you can prepare yourself should it happen again.
Other than that, I'd say your horse is fine. But, since im not a vet.....you know the deal
     
    09-28-2012, 09:59 PM
  #20
Started
My boy did this last year about this time (its spring here) and it turned out that the egg must have swallowed a bee with his water (we were finding dead drowned bees everywhere lately) I got up to see him one morning and found him with his face, neck and chest twice the size it normally was and he could not breathe properly because even his nose was swollen, his legs stocked up too, but there was no gurgling in his airways.
I have photos somewhere, I'll post them if I find them.

He got an antihistamine injection about an hour after I found him (vet was on call and thankfully already in the area attending a mare and foal) and he had penicillin(or similar) injected once a day for a week I think it was, and bute in his feed.

Your horses back legs look completely normal compared to what my boys did, he had the horsey version of cankles.

I'm going to go with allergic reaction of some sort, she may have swallowed a bee or something and had a more severe reaction than my boy did.. However his was pretty severe and it was a big fat bumble bee, but I now have antihistamine injections on hand in his first aid box should that happen again and I can't get a vet out right then and there
     

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