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    09-29-2012, 12:00 AM
  #21
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I see from where you live, that having numerous Vets to chose from probably is not an option. If it were, I would say to change Vets, but I realize that might not be an option.

I think your Vet is over-using steroids. They have so many side effect, that any other anti-inflammatory / anti-allergenic drug would be a better choice. Bute and antihistamine drugs have far fewer side effects and do not weaken the immune system. I think a diuretic would also be helpful if she shows edema and/or fluid in her lungs again. Long-term use of diuretics can be difficult to hard to wean a horse off of. If steroids MUST be used, I think they should be accompanied by a broad spectrum antibiotic (at least that is what my Vet thinks.)

I think a blood chemistry panel and a CBC should have been done in the beginning. It surely should be done now. The white cell differential will indicate allergies and/or parasite problems as well as any infection. The blood chemistry will indicate liver and kidney problems as well as many other things that can be wrong. Without having these blood values to guide him, your Vet is just shooting in the dark. It is like pointing out the door at night with a shotgun and hoping you hit the target when you can't even see it.

I would also deworm this horse with a Power Pak. I have seen parasites cause this drastic kind of reaction in a horse before.
     
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    10-02-2012, 01:43 PM
  #22
Yearling
Thanks Cherie, I have a whole list of things I am bringing up tomorrow at the visit, using steroids is one of them (I've been there was a dog that was depended on them and don't want that for my horse too). As well as long term health effects. I've never heard of power pack dewormer before? I am guessing it is a board sperturm deworming? Another thing to bring up.

I don't have much choice in vets, the other one is a crap shoot if he'll come and what he'll charge, any where from $100 to $500 in travel fees. And he is away's in a huge rush, and not to get the horse better, but to leave. There is a new (like out of school new) one an hour away but I'm not sure if this is the time to try her out.

The edema is almost completely gone a little in her fetlocks, and a tiny bit in her chest like 1/16 of an inch. She was behaving normal and everything.

But than there is today, she has has another allergic reaction, not so bad this time. She was moving, we got the stuff(I can't think of the name) into right away and a hour later she looks and acting a lot better. Poor girl thinks I am a mean person poking her and sticking icky stuff in her mouth. She'll get over it.

My nerves are fried from worrying, my bank account hurts, and I still don't know what's with Spice.

Again thanks, keep the ideas and suggustions coming, I have no problem asking my vet about different ideas and things. Spice doesn't seem to be the typical allergic reaction so we're kind of in the dark.
     
    10-03-2012, 05:35 AM
  #23
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I think considering the situation, you would possibly benefit from giving the fresh-out-of-vet-school student a call, yes she is inexperienced as far as years go, but phone calls are free, see what she thinks, and since she is fresh out of the books she may remember something that a vet that has been there done that, has forgotten about. It's possible, and what have you got to lose from a phone call? Only time out of your day to see if you can help your girl.

I went out and treated a miniature horse today who had swelling to his cheeks quite badly, he was extremely tender and he had to be twitched to give his injections, but it got done. (I'm a vet student, not a vet!!)
     
    10-03-2012, 11:44 AM
  #24
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I second that. New vet has to make a reputation so should really TRY.
Of course there is the occasional "I-know-it-all" but in general these guys try very hard and see nothing wrong in even asking a former professor for advice.
     
    10-03-2012, 11:58 AM
  #25
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We saw a reaction like this when a mare we had was stung by a swarm of bees or hornets - she swelled up to twice her size, her face was so swollen she couldn't open her eyes or breath properly. She made a full recovery
I hope things go the right way for you.
     
    10-04-2012, 06:36 PM
  #26
Yearling
Again just another up date, the vet came took blood, and samples for checking worms. The plan is that I start exercising her slowly, by hand walking for a 30 minutes or riding for 15 a day, maybe a little trot. I have to monitor closely on her heart rate, the swelling and breathing rate. If she tolerates the exercise I can keep adding on, if there is any signs of exercise intolerance other than normal fatigue we'll keep going on the heart problem route. But we're considering higher blood pressure due to a breathing issue (noted from the visible jugular pulse).

Saying that I am looking into getting a safe daily (I don't know how to spell it so bare with me) supplement that is used for horse's with heaves to keep her air ways open, as well as something for her allergic (antihestmines?). For emergencies I still have Dex as a option, as well as benadrly on hand.
     

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