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        07-29-2010, 04:15 PM
      #31
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by My Beau    
    People follow internet advice so blindly sometimes (ok, a lot of the time), they just need to remember to talk to THEIR vet about THEIR horse in IT'S environment.
    Yes. I have tried to point this out many times!
         
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        07-29-2010, 04:22 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    Yes. I have tried to point this out many times!
    I know :)
    Just reiterating the point... because that can never be done enough!

    I'd say 99% of the time I post on a thread where people are asking for advice I say "call your vet!". After all, that's the person they're going to be dealing with - none of us are certainly going to go have a look-see at their horse. And advice/instruction over the phone is FREE! (Lord know I take major advantage of that!)
         
        07-29-2010, 07:37 PM
      #33
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    I am only trying to say that everytime anyone posts about what THEIR vet recommends about anything medical: cuts, vaccinations, worming, etc a certain poster comes back to reply that according to her knowledge and studies, our vets are not up to date in their learning and that HER vet knows everything and our vets protocals for treatment is wrong.
    It just gets rather tiring to pose a question, state "what do you think of this", something just happened to my horse and I need to get some ideas to toss around, etc and a certain poster shoots everything down that everyone says because HER vet knows all, and SHE knows all and being a vet tech makes her so important...... and we should not question her studies or internet papers or whatever, that our vets are out of date and don't know anything.
    NO vet is perfect, they all make mistakes, Vet techs are not perfect and don't know everything, and nobody is above learning from others experiences. But to basically be told our personal vets and our personal protocals that we follow for outselves are not correct because she says so is getting very old. Why bother even posting questions or experiences to the forum when a certain person is going to shoot it down with all her scientific evidence
         
        07-29-2010, 09:05 PM
      #34
    Trained
    Internet advice should be taken with a grain of salt, I don't care how 'knowledgable' someone's particular veterinarian is. The truth is that we can't see the animal, so even advice given based on a photo or a simple question does little to actually help the horse. One needs to have their own trusted vet, just like we would have our own doctor; we don't just hop online and ask what to do about our own health, we go visit our doctor if it's something that concerns us badly enough. The same holds true for my horse; if something is going on, I'm going to call my vet, not consult a bunch of webbers that may or may not have the answer I'm looking for...true, we can give some advice, but that doesn't mean it should be followed, because we aren't there to see the animal first hand.
         
        07-29-2010, 09:14 PM
      #35
    Green Broke
    ^^ Agreed. These forums are a great place for brainstorming. After all that's what we do isn't it? Put forth ideas to be debated based on our own knowledge base.

    With all of the members on this board there is so much valuable information to be offered but no single person is correct every single time and most of us are aware of that fact. Also, as others have stated, without actually SEEING the horse it is hard to give an accurate diagnosis so we just go on the information that we are given and give our best insight. I would certainly hope that no posters on here would act solely on advice given on this basis, however these threads provide an excellent start to discussing issues with vets/farriers/trainers.

    To the OP, how are things looking for your deworming schedule? Clear as mud!!??
         
        07-29-2010, 09:24 PM
      #36
    Green Broke
    Well there is a lot of comments on here but I deworm my horse only twice a year...once in spring and once in fall. I have been told that if you do it every other month or whatever that the parasites will build up an immunity BUT I could be wrong.
    You can also take a piece of manure and take it to your vet to test it to see if your horse is wormy and the vet can give you info...every horse is different.
         
        07-30-2010, 01:09 AM
      #37
    Weanling
    Alright, so, what I got from here is pretty much talk to my vet about what my horse needs and about what our environment is. :) Haha, I feel kind of ridiculous for making the board if that was what I needed to do. Thank you all- and yes, even Ryle ;) I like the varied opinions.
         
        07-30-2010, 08:35 AM
      #38
    Banned
    No reason to feel like you asked something not worth asking. It was worth asking because you did not know. You now know there are varied theories on deworming so you can actually have a conversation with your vet about it instead of just listening to them.
         
        07-30-2010, 10:19 AM
      #39
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    Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
    No reason to feel like you asked something not worth asking. It was worth asking because you did not know. You now know there are varied theories on deworming so you can actually have a conversation with your vet about it instead of just listening to them.
    Alwaysbehind, I think you said something important here that is relevant to the issue some members take with Ryle's advice.

    By sharing different theories and techniques, members know about different theories and techniques so they can have actual conversations with their vets instead of just listening to them. If members don't want to know about different theories and techniques and want to simply do whatever their vet tells them, that's fine. Similarly, if a member's vet dismisses a theory or technique and the member is confident in their vet's judgment, that's fine as well. However, assuming members check with their vets as opposed to blindly following advice, I think the state of equine health can only be furthered by more people being aware of different theories and techniques so long as they are not "junk science". I would imagine that best practices in equine health have evolved over time as they have in any other health related field, and that deworming is done differently today than it was 50 or perhaps even 10 years ago.

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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    I am only trying to say that everytime anyone posts about what THEIR vet recommends about anything medical: cuts, vaccinations, worming, etc a certain poster comes back to reply that according to her knowledge and studies, our vets are not up to date in their learning and that HER vet knows everything and our vets protocals for treatment is wrong.
    If I understand you correctly, certain members can post about what their vets recommend, but other members can't?

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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    It just gets rather tiring to pose a question, state "what do you think of this", something just happened to my horse and I need to get some ideas to toss around, etc and a certain poster shoots everything down that everyone says because HER vet knows all, and SHE knows all and being a vet tech makes her so important...... and we should not question her studies or internet papers or whatever, that our vets are out of date and don't know anything.
    It seems to me that Ryle has pointed out the information she has in an effort to be helpful. While I agree that she came on a bit strong initially in instructing members to abandon their time tested deworming techniques, she later said

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryle
    Follow your vet's advice, but don't do it blindly. Ask questions, do your own research. Use you mind. Remember, your vet is not all-knowing and they can be behind the times on current recommendations in different areas of practice.
    wyominggrandma, you acknowledged that

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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    NO vet is perfect, they all make mistakes, Vet techs are not perfect and don't know everything, and nobody is above learning from others experiences.
    Precisely. It's for this very reason that it never hurts to hear other perspectives.

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    Originally Posted by wyominggrandma    
    But to basically be told our personal vets and our personal protocals that we follow for outselves are not correct because she says so is getting very old. Why bother even posting questions or experiences to the forum when a certain person is going to shoot it down with all her scientific evidence
    I can understand how

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryle
    He lays out the reasons why we need to NOT follow the kind of deworming program you were talking about above and how to set up an appropriate deworming program for your horse.
    could be upsetting. However, I urge you and others to consider the substance of Ryle's post, an effort to share a potentially legitimate advancement in this area made in the interest of being helpful, rather than object to its being shared because she presented it as something you need to do rather than something you might want to consider.

    There was a time people were upset with Copernicus for shooting down the theory that the universe revolved around the Earth with all of his scientific evidence, but today nobody would argue that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

    I'm not saying that Ryle is the Copernicus of the horse world or that the deworming technique she's proposed even has merit, but where a member suggests a plausible and seemingly credible technique I don't think we want to run them off simply because it conflicts with prevailing wisdom.

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    Originally Posted by My Beau    
    I'd say 99% of the time I post on a thread where people are asking for advice I say "call your vet!". After all, that's the person they're going to be dealing with - none of us are certainly going to go have a look-see at their horse. And advice/instruction over the phone is FREE! (Lord know I take major advantage of that!)
    I agree that calling a vet is the best thing a person can do for a horse with health issues. However, if "call your vet" were the only reasonable response to health related questions then we may as well get rid of the Horse Health forum. Assuming it's clear to members that they should call their vet when their horse needs medical care, I think it's reasonable for members to discuss their experiences, share what they know about a given condition, etc.

    Assuming Ryle is who she says she is, and that members consult their vets before following her advice as they would any other, I think it can only be beneficial for Horse Forum members and for the greater horse keeping community in general to have equine health professionals participating in discussions and sharing things that may be "cutting edge" as food for thought.

    That said, generally speaking, a title alone doesn't necessarily mean that anyone is particularly good at anything. I've known lousy doctors, lawyers, etc. Some professionals are passionate about advancing their field and others are more passionate about getting through the day and going home. I urge everyone to take everything anyone says here with a grain of salt and consult your vet of choice when your horse is in need of medical attention.

    Thanks, guys.
         
        07-30-2010, 10:47 AM
      #40
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    I didn't mean that certain members can post about their vet's advice and certain members can't. I meant it would just be nice that if anyone posts about their vets advice, Ryle doesn't need to come back and reply that basically our vet is not knowledgable enough, only her vet knows everything correctly.
    She just comes off as thinking because she quotes from studies and what her vet says that all the rest of us have stupid vets and don't know anything from personal experience. She has posted it enough times that everyone knows what she thinks, but to have her state her vets protocal is the only correct way to go over and over is getting boring and old.
    At one point she told me that the way I was treating my granddaughters barrel horse was NOT the best way to treat her according to her studies, and I should be more careful to make sure my horse was being treated right.
    Since she is not a vet, since her vet has not seen my horse, then she has no right to say I am wrong.
    I am not a "registered vet tech" but since I starting working for vets over 35 years ago, and still do, before the title "vet tech" even existed, I do know a few things and continue to learn things. Yet, I would never ever consider going online to say" my own knowledge or my vets knowledge is so much better than what you or your vet knows".
    That was all I was trying to say. We all now Ryle thinks she is more knowledgable than any of us or our vets can be, but a poster should not feel like they are stupid because over and over she is always stating her protocal from her quoted studies or her vets protocal is the only CORRECT way to treat our horses.
         

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