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        07-30-2010, 10:54 AM
      #41
    Banned
    Admin, I have to agree with the point you are making.

    I think what you are missing is basically said in wyominggrandma's post.
    Ryle goes into ever post about something of this nature and tells the rest of us that our vets are clueless (my word, not hers, I think she says uneducated) because they do not follow what she is saying.

    She has gone so far as to post that even her vets really do not know, that SHE knows, in the past.

    If she were to post the advice and not pounce on every one else I think no one would have a problem with her posting article after article. She does not usually come back and post "consult with your vet" until after it is pointed out that she is sounding very God like.

    This thread is just one example of this happening. It happens in every thread about deworming (it is not worming, it is deworming) and about several other medical topics. Where it is her way or you are very wrong.

    I think it just gets old, always being told that every other vet is uneducated and vet techs know all.

    I do think it is great that the OP now has many options to discuss with their vet.
         
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        07-30-2010, 11:04 AM
      #42
    Weanling
    With horses everyone will have something to say with what you do . Somethings we will agree with each other on and somethings we will argue each other till we are blue in the face . The point is we all have our own ways of doing things , do as you please it's YOUR horse . You do what YOU feel is best for your horse and everyone else will do what THEY think is best .

    Bottom line is though a vet is going to know a heck of alot more then we do, there is no point arguing who is right and who is wrong . Someone with a degree is the closest person to being right. We also have to take into consideration that we live in different areas , vets go to different schools and learn some different things . There is never one way that EVERYONE agrees with.

    To ask questions like this on a forum we all have to be open to others opinions , that's why its a forum. We are asking for each others thoughts and then we all need to take from it what we want .
         
        07-30-2010, 12:21 PM
      #43
    Super Moderator
    It sounds like the issue, then, is not the suggestions Ryle makes but the way members perceive the way she makes them.

    Ryle, to help ensure your intentions are not misunderstood and that everyone can continue discussing horse health together amicably, can you make an effort to ensure that you present your advice as suggestions for exploration as opposed to steps that others need to take? As you've read, people tend to have a strong reaction when they feel their way of doing things is called into question. Changing the way you make your recommendations slightly will likely go a long way toward changing the way they are pereceived.

    Assuming Ryle agrees to make an effort, can everyone else agree to recognize her helpful intentions and understand that her suggesting alternatives for your consideration is not mean to belittle or undermine you or your vet?

    Thanks, guys.
         
        07-30-2010, 12:52 PM
      #44
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Administrator    

    Assuming Ryle agrees to make an effort, can everyone else agree to recognize her helpful intentions and understand that her suggesting alternatives for your consideration is not mean to belittle or undermine you or your vet?
    Certainly.
         
        07-30-2010, 12:54 PM
      #45
    Started
    Works for me
         
        07-30-2010, 12:56 PM
      #46
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Administrator    
    It sounds like the issue, then, is not the suggestions Ryle makes but the way members perceive the way she makes them.

    Ryle, to help ensure your intentions are not misunderstood and that everyone can continue discussing horse health together amicably, can you make an effort to ensure that you present your advice as suggestions for exploration as opposed to steps that others need to take? As you've read, people tend to have a strong reaction when they feel their way of doing things is called into question. Changing the way you make your recommendations slightly will likely go a long way toward changing the way they are pereceived.

    Assuming Ryle agrees to make an effort, can everyone else agree to recognize her helpful intentions and understand that her suggesting alternatives for your consideration is not mean to belittle or undermine you or your vet?

    Thanks, guys.
    Well said Admin! I think we should all post with responsibility. I.e. Responsibility to others to post in a polite manner and responsibility to the OP to post suggestions rather than absolutes.

    P.S. It always makes me grin when I see your avatar of the horse rearing up Admin, makes me feel like I am in BIG trouble
         
        07-30-2010, 02:53 PM
      #47
    Showing
    Quote:
    P.S. It always makes me grin when I see your avatar of the horse rearing up Admin, makes me feel like I am in BIG trouble
    You should see the big red eye that he flashes to the team to make his point!
         
        07-31-2010, 11:43 AM
      #48
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AfterParty    

    Bottom line is though a vet is going to know a heck of alot more then we do, there is no point arguing who is right and who is wrong . Someone with a degree is the closest person to being right.
    If this was true then I would have had a lot less trouble in the past with certain things. Just b/c a person has a degree does not mean they know everything or even best. If so them my vet who is also a large animal vet would not bring her mares here to be bred to out side stallions. No one person or vet or professional can know everything. This is why I have several Unv. On speed dial and vets there on a first name bases. I will also take into consideration real world info. I find this can help also. You also need to take into consideration of location. Especially with deworming. Checking counts and so on is also very important. There are so many things that can be done and no one is always correct.

    Take the info and the links read them think about them then talk to not just your vet but a vet who has real knowledge about that area. One of the local vets here has done extensive research on Deworming and resistance (this is a big thing certain areas have more resistance then others) and although I do not overly like her I would take her info seriously b/c she has not only real world knowledge as she is a horse owner but also her research the fact she has talked to many experts in this area has looked as what is going on in OUR area and so on.
         
        07-31-2010, 05:56 PM
      #49
    Foal
    I was lucky enough to hear the natural vet, Dr. Dan, discuss deworming at the Equine Affair here in Feb. He has been saying for a decade to do fecal exams before "deworming" and is very encouraged that leading parasitoligists are calling for the same. Listening made me understand the history of deworming and why there is so much misinformation & confusion about it. The conflicting information is likely source of the passion on the deworming threads. He has dedicated his work to finding natural solutions and has tons of research to back up his findings but he makes it easy to understand. You can listen to the audio on “To Deworm or Not To Worm” by going to this URL: New “Live” Audio from Equine Affaire- “To Be Dewormed or Not To Be” | if you have interest.
         
        07-31-2010, 07:07 PM
      #50
    Foal
    Thanks audio is good but lucky you for being able to attend in person. I like Dr. Dan's natural solutions - his information ties with thehorse link that Ryle provided. I laughed when Dr. Dan explained how to detect pin worms with tape - it was the same approach as Dr. Oz used on his show last week - only difference is that he was talking about human's not horses.
         

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