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post #1 of 36 Old 09-04-2012, 09:10 PM Thread Starter
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Continuation, help finding why Bailey is lame

I already made another post about Bailey, explaining a whole bunch of things, but seeing as I actually now have the videos/pictures and information, I decided to make another post as it would be neater and easier to follow. Please don't skip parts, as all details are important to understanding the full situation, thank you.

So Bailey is around 7-10 years old. She's a school horse, so I have no authority to call a vet.
She has been lame for a month, but beyond my knowledge she hasn't been ridden since the late spring.
I am pretty sure it's her right hind leg that's bothering her, but I am not sure what the problem is. Obviously a vet would be the ideal situation, but I asked my trainer if a vet would be called and she said no, as she isn't used anyways and there's no treatment other than stall rest most probably.
Today I went to the barn, and this is what I noticed.

-So despite not finishing all her grain from this mroning (there was a bit left), her appetite for hay is fine.
-When I came into her stall, she was reluctant to move much, but when I took her out it was better.
-I felt her legs all over, but there was no heat or swelling.

I then took her out for a walk to the round pen, and she just seemed so happy to be out, she started actually walking more freely and stretching her bad leg out more. Still limping, but walking much more easily. Don't know if it was enthusiasm, the fact that there was more room to move than the barn, or a bit of both.

-When in the round pen, I clucked her a bit seeing if she would go to a trot, and to my amazement, she did. I barely pushed her. I take that as a good sign, seeing as a few weeks ago she walked real slow to the paddock when I brought her out with the other horses.

-After bringing her back, I put her in her stall and felt her legs all over again. There was no sign of pain or discomfort that I could see when I felt her canon bones. I pressed harder, but everything seemed even and she didn't flinch. I started touching behind her pasterns, and she did whack her tail then, but there were a lot of flies around. A slight amount of heat (like really small) behind her pastern, but it was the same on all her legs, so I'm supposing that's normal seeing as she has feathers covering that area.

Thank you for looking/reading. I greatly appreciate it. She's well fed and has a nice comfy stall, but whenever a horse get's lame at my barn, the vet is only called if it's rather serious and it's one of the used school horses. So as she isn't really ridden, the vet wasn't called (because I'm sad to say, since no one really rides her, no one cares much. They are all absorbed in taking care of the other school horses they ride). It's pretty much up to us riders to do all the caretaking. :( The barn owner doesn't fulfill his responsibilities, and it's my trainer who manages most things. He's extremely difficult to contact she told me. At one point he all together forgot to make appointments with the farrier for the horses feet, so she took over and started doing them herself to make sure he came no more than every 8 weeks.

I've read enough posts like this one to understand that a vet is what is needed to find out her problem, that even with videos and pictures it's really difficult for you to conclude what the issue is, but I am asking only that you use your knowledge and previous experience to maybe help me figure out what might be wrong in your opinion, so I can try to figure out what to do to help her get better over the months.
I was thinking water therapy with warm water (not cold since there is no swelling), to help the blood flow and rebuilding of whatever might be wrong.
-Short walks to get her moving and stop her from getting stiff. (Also for her mental health). ;)

Thank you again.

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She is VERY, VERY lame in her right hind. She is also VERY obese. She needs to lose about 100# ASAP or you will be looking at Laminitis / Founder on top of her hind leg problems.

I would say by just looking, that she is sore high in her hip or possibly her stifle -- but my guess would be her hip.

I would turn her out rather than keep her in a stall. i would look for a Vet ( I know that is not an option for you) that does deep hip injections. I have seen both an 'internal blister' work wonders and have had stem cells injected deep on the last horse I had that injured its hip. The Vet that does them does a lot of barrel horses and high level roping horses. Several were given up on by other Vets and the deep injections worked completely.

He finds the sore spot by taking the ends of his fingers and pushing hard straight into the center of the horse's hip from the side. When you hit the spot, you will know it.

The ones that I have not treated (before I found the Vet that injects hips) stayed lame and were ultimately sold. One was an outstanding horse and I feel bad to this day that I did not know there was a way to treat him.. My Vet at the time, gave me no hope at all.
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Thank you for the answer! I will ask my trainer that since she is not getting much exercise, that she be fed less grain. She get's one scoop of grain in the morning, and 6 flakes of hay a day (2 in the morning, 1 at lunch and 3 in the evening for supper). All the horses get the same.

I can see she wants to move and be outside, so is it okay if I lunge her lightly like I did in the videos to give her some exercise (and help her loose weight)? Is it also okay if I ride her at the walk? My trainer proposed that, but I wasn't sure whether to say I wanted to or not. I don't want to make her more lame.

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The ones that I have not treated (before I found the Vet that injects hips) stayed lame and were ultimately sold. One was an outstanding horse and I feel bad to this day that I did not know there was a way to treat him.. My Vet at the time, gave me no hope at all.

So, she'll most likely not heal? Ever? :(

I also just did some research on hip problems, and they say there are often spasms in such cases. I remember her often having spasm across her hip, back and shoulders, so I think you just might be spot on with the hip problem Cherie.

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I would not force her to exercise. I would just turn her out to a pasture or paddock and let her self-exercise. I would not ride or longe her. I would take her off of all grain and give her just hay.

I cannot diagnose her problem. I can only tell you what it looks like to me. I am not a Vet and do not play one on the internet. I know deep hip problems are out of the realm of many equine Vets and about all general Vets. I can only tell you how the Vet that I know that injects deep hip problems diagnoses them. He watches them move. Then, he pushes his stiff finger-tips into the mid-sides of both hips. If that is what it is, the reaction will be MUCH different on the sore hip than on the OK one.
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Here's a video which I truly love, you can do the exercises by yourself.

I agree 100% with Cherie that it's hips and/or stifle, and that a lighter diet will help.

MSM mixed into the small amount of grain she gets, if the grain is wetted into a mash and MSM added to it, may help alleviate some of the stiffness she may be experiencing, and it's pretty affordable. Sounds like she really appreciates you taking her out to exercise her, that obviously is doing her some good. Bless your heart!
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In my experience, a stifle issue tends to result in a more 'jabbing' type limp where the lame leg tends to jab at the ground. I would probably guess hip here. I agree that the horse is enormously obese. I'm not sure what exactly you could do in your situation. Would the barn call out a chiropractor? If not, try looking up hip (and stifle, to be safe) stretches to help her out. But in the mean time, no grain is really necessary, and 6 flakes of hay (if they're about 5 pounds each) is probably too much for her (assuming its good quality hay).
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The horse should be confined to a stall with no turnout or exercise until she has been diagnosed.
I can't decide what leg it is, but I would gander her left hock is a little sore as well, who knows it could be a secondary injury. Whatever it is, she doesn't want to put her right leg far forward, or bring her left hind too far back, or bend her left hock as much as her right one. I'm going to guess whatever the injury is that stall rest is going to be best for it.

The horse really, really needs to be seen by a vet. Email the videos to the barn owner and ask if you can get one out for diagnostics. A good vet would be able to watch and see and at least gander what's wrong, maybe even a few blocks and that's it. Although an x-ray would be helpful! A diagnosis would at least allow for correct treatment.

And yes, the mare should actually be getting no grain on stall rest and needs to lose weight.

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Who actually owns her? You might have said but I don't remember.
Whoever it is the responsible party.
Her feet look bad too in video #4 .
That is pure neglect letting her go like that without even getting a diagnosis. I feel for you OP, it's hard to be the only when caring when you can't do much. You have a good heart.
I sure wouldn't do any business with that barn.
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My first impression (only from this thread, as I have not seen your other thread) is hip or stifle, right side.

I agree that movement as she wants in a small paddock.

She sure is cute and you handle her nicely.
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