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        09-05-2012, 07:49 AM
      #11
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    I didn't bother looking at the vids because a) my computer's too slow & b) I'm no vet & don't think further guesses are going to help you or her. Agree with Cherry, Annabel & others.

    Trying not to assume the worst, I am guessing the trainer is just feeling too jaded with BO to bother & perhaps feels it's more important to keep her job & do what she can with the horses she can help. But I would consider this is not good enough on her part either. The horse is obese, has bad feet, is lame & sounds like she's locked up 24/7 without turnout or veterinary advice. That to me is a case of animal cruelty. Period.
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        09-05-2012, 09:11 AM
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    I would just turn her out to a pasture or paddock and let her self-exercise. I would not ride or longe her. I would take her off of all grain and give her just hay.
    I will talk to my trainer about her diet. I really hope she listens to me about the no grain.

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    But in the mean time, no grain is really necessary, and 6 flakes of hay (if they're about 5 pounds each) is probably too much for her (assuming its good quality hay).
    I'll try to make it 5 flakes.

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    The horse should be confined to a stall with no turnout or exercise until she has been diagnosed.
    I can't decide what leg it is, but I would gander her left hock is a little sore as well, who knows it could be a secondary injury. Whatever it is, she doesn't want to put her right leg far forward, or bring her left hind too far back, or bend her left hock as much as her right one. I'm going to guess whatever the injury is that stall rest is going to be best for it.

    The horse really, really needs to be seen by a vet. Email the videos to the barn owner and ask if you can get one out for diagnostics. A good vet would be able to watch and see and at least gander what's wrong, maybe even a few blocks and that's it. Although an x-ray would be helpful! A diagnosis would at least allow for correct treatment.

    And yes, the mare should actually be getting no grain on stall rest and needs to lose weight.

    I am quite afraid that I have no way of contacting the BO. He already barely answers my trainers text messages... never mind me. :/

    While I know the safest bet is stall rest, I personally think she should get some light exercise. If she is not on bute and I let her walk freely, then I believe it will help with her stiffness. I still can't get over how much freely she was walking after I took her out and she got going. She's been on stall rest all month, with turnout 1 a week for 2 hours. Whenever I'd take her out after a long week in her stall to be turned out, she'd be stiff. Yesterday after our walk, well there was a difference. I believe she needed the bit of stretching and exercise.

    Nothing hard of course. Just some exercise at her own will like Cherie proposed, so that she ins't forced into something she can't do and get's worse.

    I am obviously no vet, and could be totally wrong, but I just can't help but feel that if she continues 100% stall rest for another few months, it won't do much good to her mental and physical being.

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    Who actually owns her? You might have said but I don't remember.
    Whoever it is the responsible party.
    Her feet look bad too in video #4 .

    She's the barn's horse... with a perfectly careless BO.
    Her feet are bad, the farrier is coming on Friday (finally). 8 weeks is way to long IMO.
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        09-05-2012, 09:18 AM
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    Trying not to assume the worst, I am guessing the trainer is just feeling too jaded with BO to bother & perhaps feels it's more important to keep her job & do what she can with the horses she can help. But I would consider this is not good enough on her part either. The horse is obese, has bad feet, is lame & sounds like she's locked up 24/7 without turnout or veterinary advice.

    You are quite close. All except for the turnout. In the summer they are supposed to be turned out every day if it's nice. If the workers do it... that's another story. On the weekend, I know for sure that she went on for a few hours in the morning (I said 2 before, but it was usually longer than that. Because they'd be out while we were doing the stalls and during my lesson and the next, so that's more like 4 hours. When it was really hot though we'd bring them inside sooner because the flies would drive them nuts.)

    One could see it as neglect. I see it as TOTAL neglect from the BO. My trainer, she has a lot on her plate with everything else, and it's hard for her to make some decisions with the BO, though I know there's no excuse for not doing anything...except maybe lack of knowledge and a bit of... :(
         
        09-05-2012, 09:21 AM
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    Anyhow, thank you sooo much everybody for your answers! I truly appreciate it! I will desperately try to cut her feeding and get her some stretching/light exercise. If my school work permits, I'll try to get out to the barn in the evenings so I can monitor her evening rations and bring her out.
         
        09-05-2012, 12:02 PM
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    With a horse who is this severely injured, if she has a fractured pelvis, a muscle tear or another soft tissue she needs to be as close to immobilized as possible. Walking her, turning her out and especially lunging are likely making the problem worse in the long term, not better. Until the horse has been diagnosed she needs to be in a stall. Were she not injured, then yes, frolic and play, but with a horse that severely lame she needs to be not moving until she is seen by the vet. Light exercise is not going to help in the long term and could end up permanently laming her. And if you're the one doing it without permission, hello lawsuit.

    How do you know he doesn't answer the trainers texts? Are you using her phone? I agree that its more likely that the trainer is jaded. You need to get an email addy and send on the videos, or call a vet yourself or call the SPCA or local authorities. This is plainly a case of neglect and the horse needs to be put in a stall and left there until she can be seen by a vet. Were it one of my horses you bet it would be in a stall permanently until the vet came out.

    Good luck
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        09-05-2012, 12:27 PM
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    What a shame to leave such a nice horse so neglected. She does have weight issues and her feet are in bad need of attention too
    The way she swings that right hind out does make me think that she has a stifle problem though could be higher up into the hip - its just that when they put their stifle out they do tend to move like that. It could be arthritis in that area or she might have damaged it getting cast or just slipping badly
    The thing that does strike me though is that she seems reluctant to put the right hind foot on the ground in a real load bearing way which a stifle injury wouldn't essentially cause. She might have something as simple as an abcess in her hoof that's got trapped - they will often travel up and burst out on the coronet band but not always and they create a lot of pain and would also make her throw her leg out at an odd angle if she was particularly avoiding putting weight on one side of the hoof - the side where the abcess or pain from whatever source is. Given how overweight she is it could even be laminitis with rotation of the pedal bone that's worse in that one hoof.
    I am inclined to agree with Anebel in that she should stay on stall rest until a vet has seen her to confirm what is wrong, any exercise could aggravate whatever she has and increase her pain. Its not a risk you should be taking with someone elses horse
    The owner needs to do something as leaving an animal in pain is abuse if something could be done to alleviate it
         
        09-05-2012, 01:16 PM
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    What a shame to leave such a nice horse so neglected. She does have weight issues and her feet are in bad need of attention too
    The way she swings that right hind out does make me think that she has a stifle problem though could be higher up into the hip - its just that when they put their stifle out they do tend to move like that. It could be arthritis in that area or she might have damaged it getting cast or just slipping badly
    The thing that does strike me though is that she seems reluctant to put the right hind foot on the ground in a real load bearing way which a stifle injury wouldn't essentially cause. She might have something as simple as an abcess in her hoof that's got trapped - they will often travel up and burst out on the coronet band but not always and they create a lot of pain and would also make her throw her leg out at an odd angle if she was particularly avoiding putting weight on one side of the hoof - the side where the abcess or pain from whatever source is. Given how overweight she is it could even be laminitis with rotation of the pedal bone that's worse in that one hoof.
    I am inclined to agree with Anebel in that she should stay on stall rest until a vet has seen her to confirm what is wrong, any exercise could aggravate whatever she has and increase her pain. Its not a risk you should be taking with someone elses horse
    The owner needs to do something as leaving an animal in pain is abuse if something could be done to alleviate it
    I almost thought there could be an abscess too.. but then the whole hind end is wonky and she's not nearly as bad in the walk so she could also have an injury up there from being cast.
    Either way a vet does really need to come and do a diagnosis before anyone is touching the horse again.
         
        09-05-2012, 06:02 PM
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    Sigh... you guys have no idea how this is killing/stressing me out. I'd call a vet now if I could, but instead I have to convince someone else to do it. :(

    I know he doesn't answer because she's told me. Many times she'd ask him things like, did you make a farrier appointment? Should I make it? Is it okay if we go ahead and do "..."? Do I have to come to the barn today to feed the horses? And he'd only answered the most urgent questions in a delayed time. Sometimes, he'd never answer at all. That is what she told me, and I doubt she'd be lying about something like that, because it would mean she'd be continuously lying each and every time she brought it up or I asked.

    I'll keep her on stall rest for now, but I'm going to have a heck of a time trying to convince to get a vet out. She thinks she just tore something and that it will heal with time. Goign to be hard that to convince her that I think otherwise and that I'm right...
         
        09-05-2012, 06:05 PM
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    I just feel like crying in exasperation right now... This barn is perfect, except it needs someone serious and experienced to run it...

    There's a girl who takes care of one of the high bred horses at my barn. He had gotten an allergic reaction and she called a vet to ask what it could be. They figured it out in the end (on the phone with no charge). I'll ask her for the number... I'll try that if all else fails.
         
        09-05-2012, 06:12 PM
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    You sound so lovely and caring and I DO know how heartbreaking it is for you but you can't take on board the problems of every single horse you come across that isn't your own and you have no real control of or you will make yourself ill with stress
    Keep the horse comfortable in the best way you can, monitor her condition to see if she deteriorates and keep reporting back to the Barn manager on a daily basis.
    You must have a farrier who calls regularly - he would maybe check her feet and rule out anything going wrong there like an abcess
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