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post #101 of 113 Old 04-30-2012, 05:03 PM
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"but that still does not make it a performance horse, that makes it a ridden horse."

Well now I feel bad. After all those years of training my horses to sidepass, half pass, leg yield, pivot, turn on the forehand, roll back, 20 meter circle, counter canter, jog, extended trot, collected lope, two-track, and collect on a loose rein, all I have is a ridden horse. Guess all you Dressage people don't have performance horses either. :P

This is just silly. I'm out of here.
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post #102 of 113 Old 04-30-2012, 06:07 PM
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If you look at benson's post, the "status" thingy at the bottom says: "benson2008 is Looking for some tips on weight gain for mare and foal"

If the foal is getting nutrition from creep feeding, mom is using less of her energy feeding foal and can then gain some weight herself.
Doesn't work that way! He will still take all the milk the mare provides.

To many people over feed foals and youngsters giving them growth spurts which leads to leg problems - especially club foot/feet in a young foal.

I would never - ever feed a foal or yearling sweet feed I would just have it on a balancer designed for foals.
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Doesn't work that way! He will still take all the milk the mare provides.

To many people over feed foals and youngsters giving them growth spurts which leads to leg problems - especially club foot/feet in a young foal.

I would never - ever feed a foal or yearling sweet feed I would just have it on a balancer designed for foals.
Nope.

I have seen my mares dipping milk.
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post #104 of 113 Old 04-30-2012, 07:28 PM
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That's funny, because a LOT of people pay huge money for halter horses, as adults and foals. And most of those who win in the halter ring, go on to show and win on the rail.

Just because you "don't want to be" in that world, stop knocking what works just because it is different from what YOU believe.

From you name, I can only guess you run "can chasers"? If so, talk about a useless horse after a few years running. Watch even the big rodeo's with the "world known names" of barrel riders...their horses are rearing, bucking charging fools.


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Tell that to my 24 year old mare who ran barrels (successfully) for almost 20 years. She even has speed records that are still standing 10-15 years after she set them. Last year was her final year of gaming and she took her young rider to get Grand in Barrels, and Reserve in several other speed events at our county fair, they would've gone to State too had the rider been older.

And then just this last weekend earned Reserve in Showmanship, high blues in two pleasure classes, high blues in two equitation classes and a red (that was almost a blue) in another Equitation class with me.

She is one of the ONLY horses I've met that I'd feel comfortable putting an absolute beginner on - no questions asked.

And besides, the BEST can chasers are the ones that can go in with an experienced rider and clean up on the patterns, and then turn around and walk a kid through those same ones.
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I was also offended by the "can chaser" comment. Just because you see some bad trainers/riders that allow their horses to get away with bad behaviors does not mean that the entire barrel racing world keeps insane horses that will run people over.

Tell me one discipline that there aren't bad trainers/riders that let their horses get away with dangerous things.

I can't agree with the above comments about the difference in a halter horse's daily performance requirements, because I have never competed in halter and have no idea what it takes. But I will say that there are much more physically demanding disciplines.

I do know that I had to witness one of the most promising foals I've ever seen die of colic because his owner put him on free range sweet feed.

It is absolutely narrow minded to try and say that one feeding method can be thanked for a horse's success when there are SO many aspects to what makes a good show/performance horse.

I totally agree that feeding methods and understanding change. Heck, we always fed our horses heavy sweet feed several years ago. But now I would NEVER buy it. I have seen what it does to my horses and with better feeds being made now, it seems unecessary to take the risk.

Just because Ripper has been lucky in not seeing any problems doesn't mean that it warrants taking a risk because someone once said it was ok. Thanks, but I'll let my horses show me what is best for their diets. Each one of them has a diet specified to them to give the /individual/ the best results.

I would not free range any foal on feed as a personal choice. And truly, just ask a vet what is best for your foal instead of listening to a million opinions here and snobby, rude answers from people who feel they have all the right answers.
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post #106 of 113 Old 04-30-2012, 08:19 PM
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If so, talk about a useless horse after a few years running. Watch even the big rodeo's with the "world known names" of barrel riders...their horses are rearing, bucking charging fools.
Useless horse? Excuse me? I ride a 16 year old mare that's been running barrels for a decade and she's the BEST trail horse you can ever ride. She's wonderful with children and everyone that meets her can't believe she's a 1D barrel and pole horse.

That comment is just ridiculous and absolute nonsense. And quite frankly. It's rude. We can sit here and bash on every single breed or horse, and every single discipline. But there are rules on this forum and bashing disciplines is against them.

There are no bad horses. Just bad trainers. Doesn't matter the discipline.
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Good post,Thank-you thirteenAcres this thread has gotten out of hand. bottom line I think the OP can take home from all this is,Creep feeding Sweet feed doesn't come recommended by most.With more knowledge & advancement in equine nutrition there is more appropriate safe feeds for creep feeding youngsters.
As some of you may have took offence to can chaser comment,there is also those of us that take offence to the constant bashing of Halter & pleasure horses.Why do people find such fun in picking apart the different disciplines
There is Bad examples of all out there,training,riding & feeding practices.More so in this age of specialization when you are seeing some things taken to the extreme
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post #108 of 113 Old 04-30-2012, 08:39 PM
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Why do people find such fun in picking apart the different discipline.
I'll never know. I think it's the whole "Anything you can do, I can do better" state of mind humans have. I enjoy all disciplines. I'm inspired by many different disciplines and I think we can learn a lot from taking aspects from every single one of them.

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Remember one of the greatest - The Flying Dutchman, born in 1846?
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The heck with all this science baloney - I think we should feed the same creep feed they did back then. If it was good enough for The Flying Dutchman, it is good enough for our horses today. They fed them natural foods back then - hand scythed hay (no benzene from tractors), grain that was hand thrashed off the stalks and chaff, and good old pond water without chemicals and lots of squiggly little amoebae and paramecia. No sweet feeds, no "Molene", no chemical additives. Heck, if we are going to go back to outdated ways, why not go all the way back? Just saying...
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Good post,Thank-you thirteenAcres this thread has gotten out of hand. bottom line I think the OP can take home from all this is,Creep feeding Sweet feed doesn't come recommended by most.With more knowledge & advancement in equine nutrition there is more appropriate safe feeds for creep feeding youngsters.
As some of you may have took offence to can chaser comment,there is also those of us that take offence to the constant bashing of Halter & pleasure horses.Why do people find such fun in picking apart the different disciplines
There is Bad examples of all out there,training,riding & feeding practices.More so in this age of specialization when you are seeing some things taken to the extreme
I have respect for any and all horse owners that love their horses and try and give them the best care and the best training. Even though I don't ride certain styles definitely doesn't mean I belittle that class of rider. I marvel at the sheen on a halter horse and the athletic conditioning of a jumper. No, I'll never do either of those, but I can appreciate the art.

And really, that is what any performance or show is about, isn't it? The art and beauty of a well cared for, healthy, happy horse. =)
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