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    04-29-2012, 04:44 PM
  #11
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Originally Posted by NdAppy    
That doesn't meant that the foal or the mare needs free choice sweet feed. Sweet feed is basically glorified candy for horses. Free choice feeding sweet feed is just asking for problems.

I suggest the OP find something that is more nutritionally sound and available where they are at.
I missed how many champion horses you have raised.
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    04-29-2012, 04:47 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by Ripper    
I missed how many champion horses you have raised.
Does it matter? No. You've been out of horses for how long now? 20 or so years right? Feed and our knowledge of feed has changed in that time. If you can't handle that and the fact that your advice is outdated and considered dangerous... Well then it that just too bad.
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    04-29-2012, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripper    
I missed how many champion horses you have raised.
And what does that have to do with anything? I have raised champion horses myself and most of that had to do with the thought I put into breeding the parents than what I fed them when they were babies.

I agree that sweet feeds are not the best choice- the high starches can lead to many problems in a developing foal, and feeding free choice sweet feed in a growing baby is just asking for IR development. A healthy foal will indeed do just fine on grass, water and minerals.

If mom and foal are needing more weight, mom's feed needs to be upped to a higher protein, and fat added to her diet as well. She could also bebefit from free choice hay. That said, I was having to fix pans of feed for some of my foals, but that was more to keep their noses out of mom's bucket than it was because they were hungry. I would give them a handful of 16% mare and foal feed, calf manna, and a soaked alfalfa cube. To make it all smushy and easy to chew on.
     
    04-29-2012, 05:11 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by Delacy    
And what does that have to do with anything? I have raised champion horses myself and most of that had to do with the thought I put into breeding the parents than what I fed them when they were babies.

I agree that sweet feeds are not the best choice- the high starches can lead to many problems in a developing foal, and feeding free choice sweet feed in a growing baby is just asking for IR development. A healthy foal will indeed do just fine on grass, water and minerals.

If mom and foal are needing more weight, mom's feed needs to be upped to a higher protein, and fat added to her diet as well. She could also bebefit from free choice hay. That said, I was having to fix pans of feed for some of my foals, but that was more to keep their noses out of mom's bucket than it was because they were hungry. I would give them a handful of 16% mare and foal feed, calf manna, and a soaked alfalfa cube. To make it all smushy and easy to chew on.
I won a bet once that I could raise a good looking baby out of any QH cross.

A friend bought a real piece of junk mare from a sale that was in foal.

That fall was foal was 26th out of over 200 colts at the MQHBF.

I won.
     
    04-29-2012, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ripper    
I won a bet once that I could raise a good looking baby out of any QH cross.

A friend bought a real piece of junk mare from a sale that was in foal.

That fall was foal was 26th out of over 200 colts at the MQHBF.

I won.
I'm not sure what that has to do with sweet feed. Do you or did you pump your children full of sugar and take them to McDonalds for a fatburger and fries and set them up for diabetes and heart and arterial disease?

And honestly - your statement you can raise a good looking baby out of ANY QH cross destroys any credibility you might have. No breeder that has any clue at all would never make a statement like that. Hopefully prospective breeders that read here can separate those which people to listen to and which not...
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    04-29-2012, 05:52 PM
  #16
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Ripper's comment about QH cross foals made me want to post about my own observations.

I had read that foals are the only horses you can feed free-choice grain. They don't over eat on it like every other horse will.

I have raised a grand total of one foal, but I tell you what, I think nutrition is a BIG part of raising a foal to it's fullest potential.

My mare is a 15.1 Missouri Fox Trotter. She came pregnant by a QH stallion whom I've met and was very average in size and height. Probably in the 15.1 range, certainly not huge or tall.

I was very anal about feeding the mare when pregnant and then creep feeding the foal (Purina Ultium Growth) and now my "foal" is now 15.2 at 21 months of age. The string test puts him at 16.1 at maturity. He's taller than his mom, my Mustang gelding and his sire already.

I don't know where the "tall" came from but I am guessing it is because it is in his genetic make up somewhere and it is coming out due to optimal nutrition. He's stocky and muscular too, even though he was gelded at 5 months.

I know it is not good to push growth on a horse. And I haven't been trying to do that. He only gets about 1 lbs of grain a day, and ample high quality hay. Either alfalfa/grass mix or alfalfa. And a vitamin/mineral supplement. And everyone is impressed with not only his height but substance.

When I had the vet out a couple months back he asked me if I had been riding him yet and I had to remind the vet he wasn't even two yet!

I know another lady who raises registered Paints and her foals are narrow and undermuscled and not as tall as my QH/Fox Trotter cross. She doesn't have the money to feed them optimally and it shows in their lack of sized and muscle.

Here is my baby at 20 months. And keep in mind he is only half QH.
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    04-29-2012, 06:17 PM
  #17
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In feeding you have to address the market.

Well developed young hores sell and sell for good money.

Oh...you will be keeping the foal???

Why do you not want a foal to develop to its full potential???
     
    04-29-2012, 06:20 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Ripper's comment about QH cross foals made me want to post about my own observations.

I had read that foals are the only horses you can feed free-choice grain. They don't over eat on it like every other horse will.

I have raised a grand total of one foal, but I tell you what, I think nutrition is a BIG part of raising a foal to it's fullest potential.

My mare is a 15.1 Missouri Fox Trotter. She came pregnant by a QH stallion whom I've met and was very average in size and height. Probably in the 15.1 range, certainly not huge or tall.

I was very anal about feeding the mare when pregnant and then creep feeding the foal (Purina Ultium Growth) and now my "foal" is now 15.2 at 21 months of age. The string test puts him at 16.1 at maturity. He's taller than his mom, my Mustang gelding and his sire already.

I don't know where the "tall" came from but I am guessing it is because it is in his genetic make up somewhere and it is coming out due to optimal nutrition. He's stocky and muscular too, even though he was gelded at 5 months.

I know it is not good to push growth on a horse. And I haven't been trying to do that. He only gets about 1 lbs of grain a day, and ample high quality hay. Either alfalfa/grass mix or alfalfa. And a vitamin/mineral supplement. And everyone is impressed with not only his height but substance.

When I had the vet out a couple months back he asked me if I had been riding him yet and I had to remind the vet he wasn't even two yet!

I know another lady who raises registered Paints and her foals are narrow and undermuscled and not as tall as my QH/Fox Trotter cross. She doesn't have the money to feed them optimally and it shows in their lack of sized and muscle.

Here is my baby at 20 months. And keep in mind he is only half QH.
I gelded my foals just before they were weaned or, at 12 weeks.

I learned it is in the feed as much as blood.
     
    04-29-2012, 06:25 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by Faceman    
I'm not sure what that has to do with sweet feed. Do you or did you pump your children full of sugar and take them to McDonalds for a fatburger and fries and set them up for diabetes and heart and arterial disease?

And honestly - your statement you can raise a good looking baby out of ANY QH cross destroys any credibility you might have. No breeder that has any clue at all would never make a statement like that. Hopefully prospective breeders that read here can separate those which people to listen to and which not...
To bad you feel that way.

This is who taut me.

American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame & Museum: Henry J. Wiescamp

His dear friend Floyd is who made the bet.
     
    04-29-2012, 06:37 PM
  #20
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We put out a separate pan for our babies, it's mixed sweet feed and mare and foal.
     

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