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    07-05-2012, 07:29 PM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by verona1016    
While I agree with most of the points made by Corymbia and Amstel, I do strongly feel that cribbing leads to gas colic. Horses can't burp up the air that they swallow when they crib, just like they can't vomit.
Very understandable, I initially thought the same thing. There is research to support the opposite however. Unfortunately the source I have is in a different language (it does have a summary in english though, it starts on page 9 if you want to get an idea of what it's about).

On page 18 of this report (translated):
"For a very long time it was assumed that the air that enters the esophagus was indeed swallowed, (Holmes, 1839) and it was the generally accepted view for a long time. However, research by McGreevy et al. (1995b) showed that only a very small portion of the air actually reaches the stomach. The bulk of the air exited the esophagus through the throat cavity and the distention of the esophagus disappeared. Additionally, the swallowing motion of the tongue normally visible when the horse swallows was not observed."
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    07-06-2012, 10:34 AM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Amstel    
Very understandable, I initially thought the same thing. There is research to support the opposite however. Unfortunately the source I have is in a different language (it does have a summary in english though, it starts on page 9 if you want to get an idea of what it's about).

On page 18 of this report (translated):
"For a very long time it was assumed that the air that enters the esophagus was indeed swallowed, (Holmes, 1839) and it was the generally accepted view for a long time. However, research by McGreevy et al. (1995b) showed that only a very small portion of the air actually reaches the stomach. The bulk of the air exited the esophagus through the throat cavity and the distention of the esophagus disappeared. Additionally, the swallowing motion of the tongue normally visible when the horse swallows was not observed."
What language is the original in? I'd love to read the whole thing
     
    07-06-2012, 03:44 PM
  #23
Foal
It's in Dutch... I've been trying to find something (publicly available, copyright laws apply otherwise) in English but so far no luck...
     
    07-07-2012, 01:35 AM
  #24
Green Broke
Darn, I don't know a word of Dutch
     
    07-07-2012, 05:30 AM
  #25
Foal
Popular opinion is that cribbing is incureable, and maybe it is, but I have had great success with my OTTB, and based on that I think it can be at least greatly reduced.

My OTTB when I got him was a constant compulsive cribber to the point that he had no top teeth. I put him 24/7 in an open paddock but he would just find the nearest fence post and spend hours cribbing. He also had frequent bouts of what we initially thought was colic but then came to suspect was stomach ulcers. Apparently about 90% of ex-racehorses in Australia come off the track with stomach ulcers. So we didnt bother testing we just went ahead and treated him for ulcers.


After we treated the stomach ulcers he stopped a lot of the cribbing but was still doing it sometimes. I tried the pastes, sprays etc - didnt work. Also electric tape etc, he then started cribbing by sitting down and latching onto a chunk of grass!
I was very reluctant to use a collar as I thought it would be cruel BUT when I tried it, it worked immediately. Yes you have to put it on very tight and it will rub. What I did was buy two very different types- a nutcracker type and a leather amish design. So they rubbed in a different spot and I would switch then around to give each spot a rest. The first time he had it on he was like a junkie robbed of his fix, he was in a filthy mood (not like him at all) for about a week but he got over it.

After about 4 months I tried taking it off and found that as long as he is not stressed he will now go for months without cribbing. When I had to put him at a friends place in an emergency he started cribbing again so the collar went back on. When I brought him home, took it off after a few days and he was fine.
Last two weeks I have been very busy at work so he hasnt had the usual attention. Surprise! He started cribbing again. So he has the collar back on now, hopefully just for a week or two.

So within the space of a year he has gone from constant cribbing to going for up to three months without cribbing at all.

So Id say: 1. Suspect stomach ulcers
2. Avoid stress, boredom and confinement for the horse.
3. Try using a cribbing collar just to get him out of the habit, he may not have to wear it forever.

Good Luck!
     
    07-07-2012, 05:42 AM
  #26
Foal
And then I had a read through the other posts..... In reply to those who don't like cribbing collars, I do agree that cribbing collars are not a long term solution. You need to treat the underlying causes of the cribbing.
I do however think cribbing collars can be useful as a short term measure to break the habit once you have removed the stressors from the horse.
Also, you must be able to keep a very close eye on the horse if you put a cribbing collar to make sure they don't get caught on anything or twisted around etc so you need to be nearby to your horse.
     

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