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        05-17-2013, 10:23 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    Right. He has ulcers because he has been stalled most of his life. His environment causes his problems. Instead of putting a band-aid on the problem, I would be changing his environment. I would be finding a way/place to have him turned out as much as possible. As a steward of animals, we are 100% responsible for their care. His symptoms (impaction colic and cribbing) are screaming that being stalled doesn't work for him. IF he were my horse he would be out. 70 acres or not. He would be out.

    There are places/boarding facilities where people do not have the option of turning the horse out. You DO!! Take advantage of that and let him live the way horses are meant to live.
         
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        05-17-2013, 11:34 AM
      #22
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
    Do not attention this at home, children.........
    Of course I meant "attempt"....darn auto--correct.....
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        05-17-2013, 11:42 AM
      #23
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigBenLoverforLife    
    He is a VERY accident prone horse, and is not sure footed at all. My new barn is 70 acers of woods and hills. He lived his whole life either in a stall, or in a 2 acer pasture, so if it wasnt for his cribbing problem, I would keep him inside. I also don't want to look for him everyday on 70 acers. Then the horses that are on pasture board don't get feed, as they have round bales. So Ben has a probtiotic that he has to get everyday, and he would not get it if he was on pasture board.
    As Sahara said, the cribbing is a sign how happy he is with his life right now.
    Horses become accident prone if they don't have the chance to learn to negotiate all kinds of terrain. They're more likely to hurt themselves when they only go out for a restricted time, having all this cooped-up energy.
    And yes, he wouldn't need the probiotic if he was on pasture/ free choice hay.
    For " not wanting to have to catch him on 70 acres"...you can easily condition him to come to you. At the beginning, never go empty- handed, have a little treat, or some feed. And don't go catch him for work only, and he'll come running when you call.
    And let's not forget the cost factor....
         
        05-17-2013, 12:02 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    He needs to be outside! Especially if he hasn't gotten to the point where he wants to crib outside. He is going to crib 500x worse if you keep him locked away in a stall. He is prone to ulcers from cribbing and impaction colic from not being allowed to move around like nature intended them to.

    How would you feel if you were locked up in a 5x5 foot cell for 16+ hours? You would probably start biting your nails, pacing, picking your hair, and pick up other habits purely related to stress and boredom.

    YOU are responsible for his well being. He counts on you to make the right decisions for him! Any horse would be darn lucky to have 70 acres to roam. Yes, accidents happen, but that's part of horse ownership. He could get cast or cut up in his stall. Die from impaction or an ulcer, which in his case could be totally preventable.

    Get him out of that stall.
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        05-17-2013, 12:06 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    "finding" a horse on 70 acres is not a hard thing to do... Especially if you're willing to put in a couple of days time and teach your horse to come running when it hears you. I hate to say but, I agree with the others here... This horse is causing itself a lot of stress by being cooped up in a stall...

    But, by all means. Keep him locked in that stall because you don't want to catch him, or god forbid have to take him out of the pasture once or twice a day to feed him supplements; Fact is, he's not going to live as long and as healthy a life as he would had the bubble wrap been taken off and let to be a horse.


    So you either buy new collars (which you've done), buy sheepskin (in hopes) to keep his poor neck a poll from being rubbed raw and swollen (but, you've said you already tried those), or coat his stall with cayenne pepper (that you said you already also tried and he just ignored the taste anyways) ...

    All of those options (which it seems to me you've already tried) sound like abuse compared to just pasture boarding the poor thing which you won't do because you're afraid of him hurting himself?

    News flash he's already hurting himself.
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        05-17-2013, 12:25 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    I agree here. He cribs when he's in his stall - he's obviously not happy being in his stall. He's not sure footed because he hasn't gotten a chance to learn how to be sure footed on the terrain, since he's stalled up. No probiotics needed when he's got acres and acres of grass and hay, and the ulcers would likely stop too.

    Not wanting to get him on a 70 acre pasture is selfish on your part. Don't deprive him of what could be making him better because it's a few minutes of extra work for you. Clementine is on a god-knows-how-huge pasture, and when she's in the back half, yep, it can take me 15 minutes just to find her, let alone the walk back. (usually she'll come to me, but sometimes she wants to be a brat). I'm not going to coop her up to make it easier on ME if it's detrimental to her health.
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        05-17-2013, 04:21 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Wow, guys, not everyone can give their horses 24/7 turnout. I'd love for my horse to have 24/7 turnout, but in my area it seems like the only places that offer pasture board are the low end places- no individual feeding, no arena, etc.

    OP, the only nasty tasting stuff I've had any luck with is a supplement called Cough Free. I had to give it to my horse last year for a seasonal cough; it smells (and apparently tastes) awful. It was an incredible pain to get my horse to eat it, but I discovered that it was a very good deterrent to keep him from cribbing on the crossties. I just rubbed the mostly-empty bag it came in on the ropes of the crossties, he'd grab it with his mouth to try cribbing and immediately spit it out. I haven't tried putting it on other surfaces, but I bet if it were mixed into something to make it a spreadable paste it would have a similar effect (but might have to get re-applied frequently depending on what it's mixed in with and how quickly it rubs off)

    I've tried collars, and I found the Dare Cribbing Collar to be the best for him and easiest for the barn staff to put on and off, but after several months that, too, starting rubbing. I've left it off for a while now and really only use it when I take him off property (I never know how other BO's are going to feel about a haul-in cribbing on their property)

    Honestly, if he's not having any health problems from cribbing and it's just the annoyance of the sound, I'd just let him keep doing it in his stall.
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        05-17-2013, 04:31 PM
      #28
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    Wow, guys, not everyone can give their horses 24/7 turnout.
    Your are right, not everyone has a turnout option. But she does. 70 wide open acres of turnout, but it inconveniences her to have to go get him from that 70 acres. Which is just BS in my book. And pure laziness. It appears that she has little regard for her horse.
         
        05-17-2013, 05:00 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Verona1016, t's no where near impossible to find a barn with turnout. To me my horses health is FIRST. It comes before a lit and heated indoor riding arena with 100,000 footing. I find "lower end" barns have MORE turn out. You may not get you heated indoor with rubber footing and your horses fly mask, fly sheet, hoof polish, boots, bells and god knows what else on, unless your willing to pay, but most places will let you feed your own grain, give supps, etc. As long as its within reason.

    Please, go lock yourself up in a 5x5 area with nothing but 4 walls and a bucket of water, 2 meals a day, and no one around you. Let me know how you feel after a week.
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        05-17-2013, 05:30 PM
      #30
    Trained
    Plus she stated there are horses on pasture board at the place who eat from roundbales.
         

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