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        05-17-2013, 09:00 PM
      #31
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigBenLoverforLife    
    He is a VERY accident prone horse, and is not sure footed at all. My new barn is 70 acers of woods and hills. He lived his whole life either in a stall, or in a 2 acer pasture, so if it wasnt for his cribbing problem, I would keep him inside. I also don't want to look for him everyday on 70 acers. Then the horses that are on pasture board don't get feed, as they have round bales. So Ben has a probtiotic that he has to get everyday, and he would not get it if he was on pasture board.

    He may not be sure footed because he's unbalanced from bein stalled 24/7. You must walk before you learn to run..

    Him livin in a stall all his life is probably the reason he's a cribber today. Cribbing is a stereotypical behavior caused by livin conditions-- somethin in his livin conditions werent right for a horse and he's developed this psychological issue 'cribbing'

    He wont wander too far away from where you feed him- trust me.. I've had mine on 80 acres and they know what time I come to feed- hell be waitin by the gate for you.. I've actually had them on way more acrage than that many years ago and they still come to the gate-- horses have better hearing than dogs do- they can hear you yell or whistel for them too. It aint that bigga deal.


    I would immagine on 70 acres- the horses wouldnt need a round bale with all the grass in the pasture-- either way you can bring your horse up and take him out of the pasture for feedings if you're worried about the other horses stealin his feed.


    Just my opinions.








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        05-20-2013, 11:41 AM
      #32
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    Wow, guys, not everyone can give their horses 24/7 turnout. I'd love for my horse to have 24/7 turnout, but in my area it seems like the only places that offer pasture board are the low end places- no individual feeding, no arena, etc.

    OP, the only nasty tasting stuff I've had any luck with is a supplement called Cough Free. I had to give it to my horse last year for a seasonal cough; it smells (and apparently tastes) awful. It was an incredible pain to get my horse to eat it, but I discovered that it was a very good deterrent to keep him from cribbing on the crossties. I just rubbed the mostly-empty bag it came in on the ropes of the crossties, he'd grab it with his mouth to try cribbing and immediately spit it out. I haven't tried putting it on other surfaces, but I bet if it were mixed into something to make it a spreadable paste it would have a similar effect (but might have to get re-applied frequently depending on what it's mixed in with and how quickly it rubs off)

    I've tried collars, and I found the Dare Cribbing Collar to be the best for him and easiest for the barn staff to put on and off, but after several months that, too, starting rubbing. I've left it off for a while now and really only use it when I take him off property (I never know how other BO's are going to feel about a haul-in cribbing on their property)

    Honestly, if he's not having any health problems from cribbing and it's just the annoyance of the sound, I'd just let him keep doing it in his stall.


    Thank you for understanding my situation!
         
        05-20-2013, 11:59 AM
      #33
    Weanling
    Guys. The reason for not wanting him out side all of the time time is that..

    -I can call him and he will come running, but so does all 45 other horses who all think it is feeding time again. Trying getting your 1 horse out of a gate when 45 other horses want to come in to.

    -He does not drink well outside, he much rather prefers buckets and when he comes inside everynight he drinks both buckets until they are empty.

    -He goes out at 5 am and comes in at 5 or 6. He is given 2 stalls toys, two water buckets and about equivalent to 4-5 flakes of hay.

    -He is not sure footed because, 1 he has sensitive hoofs and there are alot of rocks at the barn. 2. Most of his young life he was stalled as a show horse, and then the rest on a FLAT pasture, his new one is hilly. So he he does really bad on it.

    -How DARE any of you guys tell me I am putting my happiness above my horses happiness. I left a GORGEOUS barn with a 180x80 foot indoor arena, heated bathrooms, large tack rooms, a lounge, and a 230x100 foot outdoor arena. To a barn with now out door, small tack rooms, no lounge, and a VERY small indoor, about the size of 1 1/2 round pens. I moved because he was beginning to be unhappy so I left. He is much happier here than he ever was at his old barn.

    His cribbing started at his old barn, where he was turned out for 8 hours a day. He didnt start cribbing because he was bored or I was cruel to him for keeping him inside for "so long". No he had an abscess that made him lame and he was stuck inside for a week, and the horse next to him was a cribber. That is where he got it!

    I am at the barn every night, and we don't just school him in the indoor, most of my riding is done out side conditioning him or doing trail rides.

    He HAS to have his Probiotic, the vet wants him on it, are any of you guys my vet? Know my horse personally? No you don't.
         
        05-20-2013, 12:03 PM
      #34
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toto    
    he may not be sure footed because he's unbalanced from bein stalled 24/7. You must walk before you learn to run..

    Him livin in a stall all his life is probably the reason he's a cribber today. Cribbing is a stereotypical behavior caused by livin conditions-- somethin in his livin conditions werent right for a horse and he's developed this psychological issue 'cribbing'

    He wont wander too far away from where you feed him- trust me.. I've had mine on 80 acres and they know what time I come to feed- hell be waitin by the gate for you.. I've actually had them on way more acrage than that many years ago and they still come to the gate-- horses have better hearing than dogs do- they can hear you yell or whistel for them too. It aint that bigga deal.


    I would immagine on 70 acres- the horses wouldnt need a round bale with all the grass in the pasture-- either way you can bring your horse up and take him out of the pasture for feedings if you're worried about the other horses stealin his feed.


    Just my opinions.








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    Thanks! He is actually turned out from 5 am to 6 pm so he isnt inside 24/7. I can't feed him myself since they feed one serving of grain a day at 2 pm. With the roundbale and grass thing, most of the 70 acres is woods, with 2-3 open field areas so there is not a ton of grass for them to eat. Typically when I do go out to get him, he is all the way in the back, and its a good 10-20 min walk depending on which way you go..
         
        05-20-2013, 12:05 PM
      #35
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sahara    
    Right. He has ulcers because he has been stalled most of his life. His environment causes his problems. Instead of putting a band-aid on the problem, I would be changing his environment. I would be finding a way/place to have him turned out as much as possible. As a steward of animals, we are 100% responsible for their care. His symptoms (impaction colic and cribbing) are screaming that being stalled doesn't work for him. IF he were my horse he would be out. 70 acres or not. He would be out.

    There are places/boarding facilities where people do not have the option of turning the horse out. You DO!! Take advantage of that and let him live the way horses are meant to live.
    Just trying to clear up where people think he is stalled 24/7. He is not stalled 24/7. He goes out at 5 am and comes in at 6.
         
        05-20-2013, 12:08 PM
      #36
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    
    Verona1016, t's no where near impossible to find a barn with turnout. To me my horses health is FIRST. It comes before a lit and heated indoor riding arena with 100,000 footing. I find "lower end" barns have MORE turn out. You may not get you heated indoor with rubber footing and your horses fly mask, fly sheet, hoof polish, boots, bells and god knows what else on, unless your willing to pay, but most places will let you feed your own grain, give supps, etc. As long as its within reason.

    Please, go lock yourself up in a 5x5 area with nothing but 4 walls and a bucket of water, 2 meals a day, and no one around you. Let me know how you feel after a week.
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    If you want read latest post I talk about how I gave up a really nice barn for the one I am at now.

    Just trying to clear up where people think he is stalled 24/7. He is not stalled 24/7. He goes out at 5 am and comes in at 6.
         
        05-20-2013, 12:09 PM
      #37
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigBenLoverforLife    
    Thanks! He is actually turned out from 5 am to 6 pm so he isnt inside 24/7. I can't feed him myself since they feed one serving of grain a day at 2 pm. With the roundbale and grass thing, most of the 70 acres is woods, with 2-3 open field areas so there is not a ton of grass for them to eat. Typically when I do go out to get him, he is all the way in the back, and its a good 10-20 min walk depending on which way you go..
    I thought you said he comes when you call him?

    Anyways. About the last post:

    1) That's pretty common among boarding pastures. ALL of the horses want to come in. You just shoo them away. (I kind of think it's funny myself, when I go get Clem. As I walk her to the barn and we get noticed, we gain a hugely sizeable following).

    2) If he's thirsty, he'll drink. He might prefer something else, but if it comes down to it he will drink.

    3) All day turnout would help build up resistance against sensitive feet.

    4) None of us are telling you you're a terrible horse owner. It just seems that, if 24 hour turnout would fix his issues, you should let him have 24 hour turnout. Your reasons he's on stall board still seem like things that are easily fixed once outside. And okay, so he needs the probiotic - you said you're out there every day anyways, give it to him then. Ask the barn owner to. Wouldn't be too hard I'd think.

    Most of us are just getting worked up over the fact that everyone on the thread, with dozens more years of horse experience, are telling you exactly how to stop your cribbing horse, as well as possibly fix a few of his other issues. And it sounds like you don't want to do that because of convenience. I don't see any reason that, even if you don't think it could work, you couldn't try it. Walking to go get him or having to go feed his probiotic is nothing compared to a happy healthy pony.
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        05-20-2013, 12:11 PM
      #38
    Foal
    I had a friend with a 30-something year old gelding that loved to crib while he ate. He was in the pasture all day with two other horses to play with, and would still crib.

    She chose against putting a cribbing collar on him simply because she felt he's old enough to have earned that one bad habit (she referred to it as his "smoke") and it was not affecting his health, just a little annoying.

    Deserthorsewoman might have the cure- leave him out!
         
        05-20-2013, 12:13 PM
      #39
    Trained
    And we did that exactly, told you what we did.

    There are some things which could be worked around, if the BO/BM would be willing.

    I get it that you don't want to be a pain, tho.
    Try out the real sheepskin protectors, it should work.

    Another possibility, without guarantee, are Bach Flowers.

    For the long run I'd be on the look out for a barn with pasture board/24/7 turnout in small groups.

    And, vet or not, I'm willing to bet, that no probiotics will be needed if he's on pasture only.
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        05-20-2013, 12:13 PM
      #40
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigBenLoverforLife    
    Thanks! He is actually turned out from 5 am to 6 pm so he isnt inside 24/7. I can't feed him myself since they feed one serving of grain a day at 2 pm. With the roundbale and grass thing, most of the 70 acres is woods, with 2-3 open field areas so there is not a ton of grass for them to eat. Typically when I do go out to get him, he is all the way in the back, and its a good 10-20 min walk depending on which way you go..

    If they feed at 2pm and your horse is out, how is his feed not getting stolen?
         

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