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        05-20-2013, 03:51 PM
      #61
    Yearling
    How is it not fair to him to be outside? Horses are livestock. No matter what you do you will never change that. Livestock stay outside. Yes we should supply them with a shelter that they are free to go in and out on there own. However, not keep them stalled for 12 hours at a time. I would go insane if I was locked in my bedroom for 12 hours.

    Don't put nasty tasting stuff on the stall to prevent him from doing. A stalled horses that developes ulcers or prone to colic usually cribs because it "eases" them. If it didnt ease them they wouldnt do it. If you want to keep him stall then let him crib.

    Our 26 yo only cribs indoors. Ulcer and Colic prone. He never sees the inside of stall. If he has to stay on stall rest, oh well....it aint going to happen. He can go in a large round pen or smaller paddock but not a stall.

    Our 8yo mare will eat, literally eat, her way threw a stall wall. She is also ulcer prone and colic prone. Very nice mare but she has a busy body personality.

    BOTH of these horses I would love to stall with my other guys. But, their personalities prevent that. Would they like to be out of the rain and wind and cold? Sure, why not. But stalling isnt the remedy to that. A run in shelter is. Just because its cold outside doesnt mean they are miserable. Just because its raining doesnt make them miserable. Yes they stand around with their heads hung lower and leg cocked back. Well, on a rainy day, so would I.

    If you want to help him, just leave him alone. Don't feed him chemicals or bitter/spicy things that will ultimately give him ulcers. If he wants to crib indoors let him. If its that big of deal make a deal with you BO and set him up a special 1-2 acre paddock just for him.
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        05-20-2013, 05:32 PM
      #62
    Green Broke
    Try angle iron to all edge surfaces of the stall.
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        05-20-2013, 06:06 PM
      #63
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by natisha    
    Try angle iron to all edge surfaces of the stall.
    That usually don't work- I've seen cribbers latch on to metal to crib- it would only cause dental problems. --my opinion.
         
        05-20-2013, 06:13 PM
      #64
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toto    
    That usually don't work- I've seen cribbers latch on to metal to crib- it would only cause dental problems. --my opinion.
    That actually worked for my mare, but she was more a wood eater than a full blown cribber. For an intense cribber though - no I don't think it would work. I can easily see them latching on & still trying. Cribbing collars & painting stuff on the stall didn't do anything for her.

    My new mare is such a horrible cribber she has to be kept in a slow graze muzzle when in the stall. It goes on just like a halter will. She's still able to eat her hay (it just takes her longer like a slowfeeder might) & can drink water. My trainer sent it with her and it kinda worried me, but it doesn't bother her & if anything keeps her busy eating her hay longer. This is a mare who is also is in a stall double the average stall size with low sides so she can touch the horse next to her as well as see outside.
         
        05-20-2013, 07:39 PM
      #65
    Yearling
    If you *insist* on locking him in his stall where he's going to crib, I agree that you just need to let him be. He's cribbing because he's stressed, or uncomfortable, or otherwise unhappy - otherwise he wouldn't bother with it. Taking that away will not only make him more stresses/uncomfortable/whatever, he'll find a different, likely worse way to deal with it. Just let him crib and be prepared to pay back your BO for the destroyed stall planks or give him full pasture board so he will stop cribbing, but if he's been on for 3 years you're not going to get him to stop inside by slathering the wood with anything. He'll likely keep cribbing and make himself sick on whatever you put on it to try to stop him.
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        05-20-2013, 07:58 PM
      #66
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    Why 'let him be'? Why not give him somethin to play with?

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    ^ why can't he have somethin to do other than cribbing? Not havin anything to do and needin to burn off energy is how he got into this situation in the first place- he needs to be occupied when he's in his stall- not just sittin around board.
         
        05-21-2013, 11:44 PM
      #67
    Green Broke
    I think saying that a horse only cribs if he is stressed or unhappy is a bit of a simplification. It very well may start out that way, but it is an addictive behavior. There are a lot of things about cribbing that people don't agree on (largely because research hasn't been able to definitively point to a cause or cure for cribbing) but most will agree that a horse who has cribbed for a long time will most likely never stop cribbing entirely, no matter how "naturally" the horse is managed or how happy we perceive him to be.

    One thing to consider is that if you can't stop the cribbing, you can at least direct it towards surfaces that are OK to crib on. For example, my horse broke his corner feeder twice; each time I replaced it and the last time I asked for it to be mounted lower (around knee level) and he no longer cribs on it. (And as a side note, I've seen many other non-cribbers in the barn break their feeders, too. Damage to the stalls is not something that's limited to cribbers.) He could crib on it if he wanted to- I've seen him crib on the log in the paddock (used to be part of a cross country course) and it's about the same height or lower than the feeder. But given the choice, he'd rather crib on something higher. He now cribs on a wooden board by his waterer, which is much sturdier. Completely crib-proofing his stall, while possible, would take quite a bit more work, and would most likely mean that the front of his stall would have to be paneled with small mesh- which would prevent him from touching noses with his neighbor. While that would be successful in stopping him from cribbing in his stall, he'd miss out on social interaction in his stall, and he'd likely crib more in turn out (also making him miss out on socialization). I don't think it's worth it to try and stop him completely.
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        05-22-2013, 12:38 AM
      #68
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    Cribbing is a stereotypical behavior caused by livin conditions-- somethin in his livin conditions werent right for a horse and he's developed this psychological issue 'cribbing'

    Like posted- cribbing is psychological -if you give you horse what theyre missin theyll can stop- theres no such thing as 'cant' that's just an excuse for wont try.
         
        05-22-2013, 01:55 AM
      #69
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by toto    
    Like posted- cribbing is psychological -if you give you horse what theyre missin theyll can stop- theres no such thing as 'cant' that's just an excuse for wont try.
    Can you point to any documented case of a cribber who stopped completely?
         
        05-22-2013, 01:56 AM
      #70
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by verona1016    
    Can you point to any documented case of a cribber who stopped completely?
    I HIGHLY doubt that there's NO cases of a horse who stopped cribbing.

    That being said, I also doubt that it's common. Or easy. Or cheap. Especially after going for 3 years.
         

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