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  • EPM + colloidal silver
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    04-28-2012, 10:58 PM
  #11
Weanling
Can you get your hands on colloidal silver and dose him in mash several times a day?

This is only my opinion,

If he's not on an IV and at a clinic from the description you gave of his condition, and if you aren't ready to give up and you don't think he is, see if you can get a sling for him to set up at home. Your vet should know where you can get one to use, if not we can hopefully put out the 911 for one. There are rescues and other orgs that have slings on loan.

Sounds like the quicker you can act the better from what you're describing. I would get gobs of Pedialyte and use it along with colloidal silver as the liquid in a senior feed mash with bran (no corn oil), oats if he'll eat them. No more A/Bs.

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    04-28-2012, 10:59 PM
  #12
Foal
Unhappy

Honestly I couldnt tell you which test he ran to diagnose charlie. I do know that they can come back with a false positive and he mentioned that when he originally told me about the diagnosis but said the he was sure about this EPM diagnosis. At the time I didnt have any research under my belt.
I got a wild hair to check out youtube..people post videos of their poor babies with this disease..yes, I know its for others to see what to look for, but I can't imagine video taping my Charlie in the condition he is in...it just seems degrading to me. Weird huh? One thing I did notice though was all those horses with EPM still had their weight on...Charlie is almost skin and bones now.
He is on a vitamin B complex injection at the moment because of the amemia and enzyme levels being so low. I will question my vet, or rather the nurses apparently, about the vitamin E. I hate that its the weekend.

Why can't my vet just sleep in my barn until this is over?????
     
    04-28-2012, 11:02 PM
  #13
Foal
Hes not hospitalized. He is still out on pasture. I tried putting him on "stall rest" and he refused ALL food and water. He is currently on Purina Strategy grain with calf manna and corn oil added per vet instructions

I know stress can aggravate the EPM issue and Charlies best friend is my mare...when I separate them he gets extremely agitated. I want to avoid that at all costs. If that means he is calmer on pasture then locked in the barn, i'll keep it that way. Our pasture isnt huge by any means anyway. Since this began they have all been locked in a 1/2 acre section attached to the barn so I can keep him close.
     
    04-28-2012, 11:05 PM
  #14
Trained
What is his water intake? Is he still drinking?

My gelding never dropped his weight. So this is a big concern for Charlie. I'd suggest calling your vet and asking if a renal panel was done on him? Especially with him being anemic, that's a real worry for me. The kidneys send messages to the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. If the kidneys aren't working properly, you can end up with anemia...which it seems like you are going through.

I wonder if he has a few different things going on?

Poor Charlie. And I'm with you, I would absolutely never record my horse with a horrible disease. It is completely degrading. (But also necessary for us to learn from) I personally, wouldn't do it.
     
    04-28-2012, 11:09 PM
  #15
Foal
Yes, he is drinking. He doesnt move around much but I have personally seen his head in the water tank. He WILL NOT drink from his bucket in the stall though. The first few days of this we were keeping him in at night and he would refuse to eat or drink. He would leave his stall in the morning and chug from the big water tank as soon as he is out. Like I said, if he is eating and drinking and staying calmer out there then that's where he will stay.
And honestly, if its getting closer to where I would have to make the big decision to put him down, he can spend as much time with Skye as he wants. I wont take that away from him....or her

Oh jesus...there go the tears
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    04-28-2012, 11:11 PM
  #16
Cat
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRichmond    
C a senior feed mash with bran (no corn oil), oats if he'll eat them.
Corn oil wasn't suggested to put weight on but for the fact it has been shown to help absorption of the specific med her vet has her using.
     
    04-28-2012, 11:14 PM
  #17
Trained
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Oh jesus...there go the tears
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    04-28-2012, 11:14 PM
  #18
Foal
Actually the corn oil was originally suggested by my vet to help him put weight on...along with the calf manna that he is on. Once we got the epm diagnosis I just kept him on it because of the absorption of the meds

So I guess keeping him on it was my idea..not my vets. Since the epm diagnosis my vet hasnt said a word about how to keep him eating or get nutrients into him

The more I talk about this the more pissed off I get at my vet
     
    04-28-2012, 11:15 PM
  #19
Cat
Green Broke
My haflinger didn't necessarily have weight loss but did have a decent amount of muscle atrophy.

Normally:



When he had EPM and the other side was actually worse. I was so horrified by it I never did take a picture:



I kept mine out in the pasture when he was doing better and a dry lot/corral when he was bad. When he was at the clinic and actually stalled he was worse off than when he was allowed to roam. I did keep him separated for several weeks from the other horses so he could move with them in site but not be driven by them.
     
    04-28-2012, 11:17 PM
  #20
Foal
Do you guys have any ideas of something I can mix up and suck into a syringe and force down him...he takes things orally very well..

Ill force feed him if I have to...every two hours like a freakin kitten
     

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