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Deworming danger

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#1 ·
Well about 5 days ago I deworm my Amigo. Then 2 to 3 day later he colic and the vet said it was from the deworm! So deworms are very danger. That's why I give DE very day so my horse does not colic! That's what happen when you deworm! I just wanted to say deworms can be deadly!
 
#5 ·
Did you recently Chang the type of dewormer you have been using?
If you get a really good kind of dewormer, I think you don't have to worry about it.
I have never had any problems with all the dewormers I have used. What kind of dewormer is it that you used?
The other thing is, did you worm her/him earlier or later then what your horse is used to? A change in the schedule causes colic. Just a thought.
 
#10 ·
Agree. If you think DE takes care of your entire de -worming protecol, then why use a de wormer? Personally, I would look at the use4 of DE, which irritates the intestinal lining, plus has not proven efficacy
How the heck can you decide that the de wormer caused the colic, when you use that DE daily?
Wait-i got it. The DE allowed a heavy worm burden to bUILD up, so that when you acTually used a de -wOrmer that woRked, you got some obstruction, due to heavy worm kill.
Yup, there is some daNGER IN USING A DE-WORMER THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, ON AHORSE LOADED WITH PARASITES, AS THAT SUDDEN KILL OF ALL THOSE WORMS CAN CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION, due to the sheer number of dead worms
Don't blame the de-wormer-blame the fact that your horse needed gradually de -worming dose, as any rescue horse with a heavy worm burden, to prevent a massive worm kill at one time, that can cause obstruction
 
#12 ·
I'd think that using DE would be much more dangerous...DE is used to kill bugs, right? ever wondered how that works? DE is made of itsy-bitsy blades that kill bugs. I imagine that you just add it to their feed, right? and if you ever listen to a horse eating, you can hear them snuffling around while eating.

I might be wrong here, but there is no way that inhaling what amounts to hundreds of blades is not damaging. Furthermore, it only remains effective while dry. And, rats that inhaled it for a regular period were found to have higher levels of lung cancer.

Diatomaceous Earth General Fact Sheet
How Does Diatomaceous Earth Work? (Pro-DE, but also admits that it is made of blades)
 
#13 ·
Cases of colic after de-worming are almost always caused by the person administering not getting the dosage correct or from large numbers of worms dying all at the same time and causing a blockage
Its the management regime that's at fault not the wormer
I doubt any vet would say wormers should not be used - but they would say they should be used correctly
You have rescue horses that were probably full of parasites when you bought them, DE does not work so your poor horse probably has enough worms to put him high up on the 'at risk' list
 
#17 ·
I have a big bag of DE at home that will never get used by me - I jumped on the bandwagon when someone mentioned how great it was and liking the idea of something 'natural' I brought some. Then I did some reading (should have done this first!) and couldn't get my head around how it supposed to do anything beneficial once wet. Also couldn't find any hard evidence that it actually does anything at all. Good lesson learned though to read before I buy!
 
#18 ·
the overdose rate for dewormer is so high of an amount ! did you paste deworm ? or did you get liquid cattle dewormer and cause a large amount of worms to die at once ?
Since DE does not kill worms, neither does tobacco, (another folk lore ) WHY would you dose your horse a full dose and it was probably not wormed for years .
Was it expired ? Did you bother to check expiration dates ?
 
#20 ·
OMG. You all said it before I could, and NBEventer, I keep hoping the same thing. My horror is that I've MET people like the OP in real life. o_O It's really scary. Willfully ignorant and stubborn...proud of their ignorance and proud of their yahoo qualities. I always feel sorry for their horses.
 
#21 ·
I haven't read through all these posts, so I apologize if this has been said already. It likely wasn't the dewormer itself that caused your horse to colic, but the worms. If your horse has a pretty heavy worm load, all those worms dying off at once can cause some colicy issues. That's probably what your vet was meaning.

Giving daily DE daily won't prevent colic. There are so many reasons a horse can become colicy, other than just worms.
 
#22 ·
Yes, Luv equines, there are risks associated with dewormers. There are also risks associated with herbs, the pasture your horse grazes, grains, etc. Heck, drinking too much water in a short time can kill you.

So, it's not an issue of whether or not there are risks with dewormers or anything else we give to our horses. It is assessing the risks verses the benefits and selecting to do those things which carry a higher benefit than risk and choosing not to do those things that carry a higher risk than benefit.

Used inappropriately, dewormers can certainly cause problems. Sometimes even given appropriately they can (ivermectin toxicity can occur at normally safe doses if the central nervous system is already damaged or certain plants have been consumed). However, the parasites we are trying to treat also cause damage and will cause harm or death more often if not treated than the dewormers will when used.

The value of dewormers is that they have been studied extensively to prove that they actually kill parasites and what doses are effective and safe. Government agencies require strict studies to be performed that test for exactly what dose works, exactly what it works against, how much more than the effective dose can be given with a minimum of adverse reactions, what exactly are seen as adverse reactions to the drugs, etc.

This is a short write up on a single product to give you a very simplistic view of the types of information that is gathered through studies to get drug approval. NADA 140-439
 
#23 ·
A friend's horse plugged up after vet tube wormed. Vet had to put his arm inside to release a large die-off. A huge contraction forced his arm out and the mass shot 30' across the yard. The horse pooped worms for two days. I read an extensive report from the UK on why horses colic and they concluded it can happen for seemingly no reason at all because of it's length and that it's floating.
 
#26 ·
Sadly, it's not. Just because she hadn't responded to this thread lately doesn't mean she isn't spouting this nonsense on other areas of the forum.
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