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post #1 of 9 Old 05-03-2011, 08:46 PM Thread Starter
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Deworming Protocal seems extreme - HELP!

Hi there,

I had an osteopath look at my young gelding and he says his back is stiff and sore from vertebrae being locked from worms (encrusted strongyles?).

She said this is very common in geldings and needs to be taken care of with the following deworming program...
5 days double dose Pancur/Fenbenzole
5 days off
5 day again on double dose
10 days off
Quest
2 weeks later
Quest again.

It sounds so harsh! But she swears it and says thousands of horses have done it safely. I just lost a horse to colic a month ago and am terrified this could cause my young horse to colic too!

If this could help him feel better I don't want my paranoia to stand in the way. The testimonials are very impressive.

Has anyone heard of this or even better, done this deworming program and seen good results.

Thanks sooooo much
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Simple. Do a fecal. Ask the vet what the protocol should be. I believe in my area it is Ivermectin in the spring, regardless.....I do fecals every 3 months. Try an actual vet. Sorry, but I like a real one.

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that's alot. I know nothing about the stiffness issue but I can comment on the deworming part.

What has been your deworming protocol so far? Many people have issues with encysted stongles because of the bad rap Quest got at first with the dosage lock not working properly. Many people also don't double dose and think on tube of one of the common dewormers is enough. There is too much resistance for it to be enough.

Quest kills encysted strongles as do power packs supposedly. If I suspected I had a problem on a hors rthat had not had a great deworming regimen thus far, I would powerpack (slower kill rate so the horse will not colic) and then wait two weeks and use Quest then wait a month and use Quest again or Quest plus preferably if ever comes back on the market. Power packing twice seems excessive and unnecessary.

PS A fecal will not show encysted strongles ( they are "encysted" in the intestine wall and case scarring damage...nasty buggers), threadworms or tapeworms. Threadworms are known to cause joint issues also btw. They live in cartilage and cannto be killed via normal deworming. They also cause sweet itch.

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Thanks for the reply.

Apparantely these types of worms do not show up in fecals. And the Osteopath is also a vet.
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Hello :)

My horse has been on a regular deworming program since birth, every 3 months in a rotation. I've also included Quest in this in the past. He is only 5 and has lot of back soreness. We've tried acupunture, chiro, massage and the osteopath is the latest. If it is something that might miraculously help him that would be amazing!

The panacur double dose 5 days is the same as the powerpac and I have been told is very safe. The whole program just seems so extreme.

A couple of horses in the barn did it last year and were fine. But a whole barn of 20 horses did it last year, and 2 colic'd, which is a pretty high percentage for me!

I'm just really worried about colic and not sure if his soreness is really anything to do with worms :(

Thanks again!!
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I think the timeframe is a bit close personally. I do understand the PP is the same as Safeguard or Panacur DD for 5 days. I don't think that is a big problem but its awefully close together. However if this person is a vet and has good reviews otherwise, I would probably give it a shot to help my horse.

As for the colics...One needs to know WHY the horses coliced and ask some questions. What did the vet say about the colic issue? Do you think your horse is a colic candidate via the reasons the vet gave? Is the potential benefit of trying this greater than the colic risk?
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Perhaps you think an osteopath is a vet. In my book, an osteopath is not a DVM anymore than they are an MD. They have a license, at least with respect to humans, as DO. Not the same at all. I realize in some rural areas this may be all there is, but it is still not the same.

I would still do a fecal, that way you know what else there may be. It is cheap insurance, to me. I, personally, would call a DVM. (vet). JMHO. I prefer good scientific medically based advice, but perhaps that is because I am a nurse.

I also would question the history and how the horse has been treated previously..or not.

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Hello again,

The Osteopath is a certified equine osteopath is a real vet DVM. Was vet first then wanted a more holistic approach so took osteopath in Texas.

I've had the horse since he was almost 2 and has been regularly wormed, as well as I know the previous owner and she's very particular with her worming program as well. That's why I'm really leary about the who worm infestation in the spine thing (since my gelding has always been on a good program).

Anyway thanks for the responses, I appreciate the advise. I will get a second opinion for another vet before I proceed.
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From what I can find, that is not always true. Glad yours is also a DVM, but apparently regulations vary area to area. I think you have every reason to be leary about the worm thing since you have been on a schedule. Not like some random horse that has just been out in a field for a long time.

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