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    03-08-2012, 12:06 PM
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Foal
Question Deworming twice

Hello everyone. I've recently (about a week-week 1/2 ago) dewormed my mare with Durvet Pyrantel Paste that was bought from one of the local feed stores. I had been following a routine of deworming every other month, switching the type of wormer according to a chart that I can now not find. Anyways I've been doing some research and have heard from multiple places that one dose of the Pyrantel paste is usually not enough and two should be given, but they mention doing it at the same time.

In your opinion do you think it would be ok to give another dose of the Pyrantel? I believe she is still somewhat wormy.
     
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    03-08-2012, 12:12 PM
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Yearling
Paso, Now a days you can take a fecal sample down to your local vet and for a couple of bucks, they will tell you what kind of worms and how to treat them..
And welcome to the forum! Good luck! Susan
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    03-08-2012, 03:38 PM
  #3
Yearling
Be aware, fecal tests do not show tapeworms or encysted strongyles. You should dose spring and fall with quest plus, or a power pack and equimax or similar to cover these. Rotational deworming is no longer recomended due to parasite resistances.
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    03-08-2012, 04:00 PM
  #4
Trained
I never did the every other method anyhow. I usually wormed 2-3 times a year. For sure in the spring and the fall. I just did the fecal sample for the first time and I was really surprised at which horses had the highest egg counts. So I just dewormed and will be sending off my resample in a couple of weeks to see how worked.

I sent mine off to Horsemen's Laboratory | Effective Equine Worm Control Specialists |. You buy the kits online, they send them to you right away, you sample and send them back, postage paid and they email your results to you and send a copy through the mail. I thought it was cheap, hassle free and fast.
     
    03-08-2012, 04:39 PM
  #5
Banned
Pyrantel is effective for tapeworms and the recommended dose is "double dose"

Note that faecal sampling does not inform with regard to tapeworm

Appreciate that it's the gut active active ingredient Pyrantel that you can double dose with.

Pyrantel is highly effective against gut dwelling roundworms. It does not kill worm eggs, larvae, lungworms or bots. A 'double dose' is actually the 'right dose' for effective tapeworm control (tapeworm treatment is best in the spring and autumn). That's why Strongid P will also treat benzimidazole resistant strains of small redworms.

So appreciate that when saying "double dose" with Strongid P that in fact the tapeworm dose is TWICE that needed for other worms ie two syringes for an average horse.
     
    03-08-2012, 05:08 PM
  #6
Foal
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Originally Posted by hoopla    
Pyrantel is effective for tapeworms and the recommended dose is "double dose"

Note that faecal sampling does not inform with regard to tapeworm

Appreciate that it's the gut active active ingredient Pyrantel that you can double dose with.

Pyrantel is highly effective against gut dwelling roundworms. It does not kill worm eggs, larvae, lungworms or bots. A 'double dose' is actually the 'right dose' for effective tapeworm control (tapeworm treatment is best in the spring and autumn). That's why Strongid P will also treat benzimidazole resistant strains of small redworms.

So appreciate that when saying "double dose" with Strongid P that in fact the tapeworm dose is TWICE that needed for other worms ie two syringes for an average horse.
So does that mean that one tube is a double dose? Or that two tubes ( at the right weight) should be given?

Btw I have to say this forum is so much more helpful ( and nicer) than yahoo answers. Thanks so much guys
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    03-08-2012, 05:11 PM
  #7
Banned
One dose is one tube and double dose is two for a 'normal size horse

The instructions in the packet tell you all this...... well they do in the uk anyway
     
    03-08-2012, 05:12 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Pyrantel would require two tubes, each at the right weight. You can also give single doses of praziquantel to take care of tapeworms - these almost always come in tubes that are also mixed with ivermection as praziquantel isn't good for killing much of anything except tapeworms.

Quest Plus is a good example, it mixes moxidectin and praziquantel.
     
    03-08-2012, 10:25 PM
  #9
Foal
I'm not trying to slam the people that deworm every month....just giving my and my vet's opinion on the subject but....its amazing now a days how many people still deworm their horses monthly or every other month. I am for one, against deworming on a monthly or every other month basis. It is sooooo unhealthy for horses to be dewormed every month!!!!! Exspeccially when most of the time the horse does not even need to be dewormed. People are shoving poisen and chemicals down their horse's throat on a monthly basis that the horse typically does not even need. People don't know for sure if the horse has the type of worm that they are deworming for. So if that type of worm is not even in the horse's body, the dewormer that you are giving them is doing no good. I might not be a professional...or a vet, but to me, giving horse's a poisenous substance when it might not be nessacary....has to be unhealthy. My vet agrees.

So...what is a healthy way to deworm horses? Fecal exams. Most vets recommend doing a fecal exam twice a year....once in the spring and once in the fall. They are $20 around here. Basically the vet looks at the fecal sample and determines which worms the horse has. Then you worm accordingly. This way you know exactly what to deworm for...and your giving your horse the correct dewormer. No guessing....no unneeded chemicals, poisens or dewormers....and it can cut down on costs. You will also be surprised occasionally when getting fecal exam results back. Most of the time(at least for me) my horse's fecal exams will come back with no high levels of worms that I would need to deworm for. So they might not even need to be dewormed!

But again, every owner has their own opinions on this subject. And every owner should make there own decisions on what works for them and their horses...and what they believe is right or wrong. In my opinion, I believe that doing fecal exams and then deworming accordingly is the healthiest way to deworm my horses.
     
    03-08-2012, 11:57 PM
  #10
Green Broke
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The problem is NOT that it's unhealthy. That's a pretty bold and ridiculous statement in my opinion. Dewormers are designed to be safe. If they're poison and chemicals, kindly explain how horses who are regularly dewormed live MUCH longer lives then those who aren't. Deworming every month or deworming every 3 months is not going to make any difference in the health of your horse if they're nothing but chemicals and poison as you claim.

The problem with deworming monthly and on a rotational basis is resistance. Worms have developed a tolerance to virtually every dewormer on the market except for ivermectin, and even now, they are finally showing studies of certain worms who are building up an ivermectin resistance. Vets now promote fecal counts to target exactly which worms are in a horses system to help slow this developing resistance and making deworming more effective and efficient.
     

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