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        09-16-2013, 05:30 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    To make sure I understand this correctly.
    He only has loose stools when trail riding or doing some other activity that makes him nervous? Normally, while happily grazing in the pasture all his stools are firm, normal pile of balls, horse crap?

    If that is the case (and I hope that it is) then I'd say it's nerves. Most horses will have more bowel movements when they get nervous. I've had them crap 3 times in less than a mile because of encountering things that they were very uneasy about. Takes time for them to get more comfortable. Some longer than others, but eventually they get use to the activity as it becomes more normal and the loose stoolst should become less common and eventual stop (if that is indeed the case).

    If the stools are usually loose most of the time there can be a number of potential causes. Since worms have been ruled out I'd check on what he might have access to eat besides grass (e.g. Ingesting acorns, oak leave, etc... can cause loose, runny stools). Of course those are not the only potential causes, but you need a vet to consider all the possibilities. They would have the means of checking things beyond the external and the obvious items.

    Good luck. I know how frustrating it can be having a problem with no identified cause or treatment.
         
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        09-16-2013, 05:36 PM
      #12
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    Horses can hide their nerves quite well and have tremendous self control but sometimes the runny poop is a giveaway
    Magnesium might help
    I'm also thinking that if he's drinking a lot of water and out on so much grass there might be something else going on - the fecal count will only highlight worms/eggs in the poop and not tapeworm or encysted worms - and encysted worms will cause runny poop
    Have you tried feeding him some sort of chop, alfalfa pellets, sugar beet shreds (soaked) on the evening before the day you want to ride and again in the morning a few hours before you leave - might help bulk him up a bit and slow down his digestion.
         
        09-16-2013, 07:25 PM
      #13
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Do you have ANY idea how many years that has been bugging me?! Thank you again desert :)
    Oh, you're welcome
    If you need anything else, I'm here
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        09-16-2013, 07:30 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Another idea....does he have a new salt source after not having any for some time? Consuming lots of salt=lots of drinking= loose stools
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        09-16-2013, 07:45 PM
      #15
    Trained
    It could just be his system too. Heffa Boo aka Honey Boo Boo drops cow pies on a regular basis. HUGE, soft, but not watery, kind of formless piles. I keep her on FasTrack and it helps some, but she's just a heffa when it comes to the cow patty department.
         
        09-16-2013, 07:52 PM
      #16
    Showing
    There are a number of weeds at this time of year that will cause this. One in particular grows a tall stem with a yellow blossom at the top. The leaves are prickly yet the horses will eat them. The result is almost like cow flops.
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        09-16-2013, 11:10 PM
      #17
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    There are a number of weeds at this time of year that will cause this. One in particular grows a tall stem with a yellow blossom at the top. The leaves are prickly yet the horses will eat them. The result is almost like cow flops.
    Boo does this even when she's just stalled and not on pasture. I've just learned to pick up after her quickly and hold my nose.
         
        09-17-2013, 11:57 AM
      #18
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by its lbs not miles    
    To make sure I understand this correctly.
    He only has loose stools when trail riding or doing some other activity that makes him nervous? Normally, while happily grazing in the pasture all his stools are firm, normal pile of balls, horse crap?

    If that is the case (and I hope that it is) then I'd say it's nerves. Most horses will have more bowel movements when they get nervous. I've had them crap 3 times in less than a mile because of encountering things that they were very uneasy about. Takes time for them to get more comfortable. Some longer than others, but eventually they get use to the activity as it becomes more normal and the loose stoolst should become less common and eventual stop (if that is indeed the case).

    If the stools are usually loose most of the time there can be a number of potential causes. Since worms have been ruled out I'd check on what he might have access to eat besides grass (e.g. Ingesting acorns, oak leave, etc... can cause loose, runny stools). Of course those are not the only potential causes, but you need a vet to consider all the possibilities. They would have the means of checking things beyond the external and the obvious items.

    Good luck. I know how frustrating it can be having a problem with no identified cause or treatment.
    Right. I *think* his poop at home is more solid although I'm not 100% sure. But I do know his first poop as soon as we load in the trailer at home is MUCH more solid than his poops once we arrive and begin working in the arena or the trails.

    It's just odd because he doesn't SEEM nervous. He isn't spooky and he preforms well and isn't fidgety.

    He has been out of the wild and in training for about 60 days so I can understand why he would still be nervous but he definitely hides it extreme well.

    I was thinking that he could be drinking a lot because of the mineral block I have out, but when I take him to the arena (sometimes we stay for 3-4 days) he still drinks a ton and has no block. And still has runny poop.

    Is there anything like mare calm that can help calm him down or should I just ignore it and keep introducing him to things the same as I always have?
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        09-17-2013, 12:16 PM
      #19
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    Given his age I would expect him to be having some nerve issues - 60 days under saddle for a horse that was previously living wild and now sort of pushing him in at the deep end a bit is quite a lot of pressure on him
    The mare things are allegedly for hormonal issues so unlikely to work at all
    You can try magnesium based supplements & valerian root in enough quantity really will act as a sedative and has an anti anxiety effect but you might do better to just take a step back in his workload and allow him more time to get used to things slowly and be able to deal with them himself naturally
         
        09-17-2013, 01:27 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MustangGirl    
    Right. I *think* his poop at home is more solid although I'm not 100% sure. But I do know his first poop as soon as we load in the trailer at home is MUCH more solid than his poops once we arrive and begin working in the arena or the trails.

    It's just odd because he doesn't SEEM nervous. He isn't spooky and he preforms well and isn't fidgety.

    He has been out of the wild and in training for about 60 days so I can understand why he would still be nervous but he definitely hides it extreme well.

    I was thinking that he could be drinking a lot because of the mineral block I have out, but when I take him to the arena (sometimes we stay for 3-4 days) he still drinks a ton and has no block. And still has runny poop.

    Is there anything like mare calm that can help calm him down or should I just ignore it and keep introducing him to things the same as I always have?
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    With only 60 days, as jaydee pointed out, it's most likely nerves. That tends to be the most common case when horses have normal stools except under certain conditions/activities. I've even seen after they start getting more comfortable their stools firm up a bit with just a pit of fluid coming out with it, but crap 3 times before they walk a mile. After a while it should settle down, but keep in mind that "a while" can still add up to a months. My youngest will still take 2 dumps in less than a 1/2 mile when we first start out if I go different route, but then she settles down as long as things appear familiar. That's more my fault because I spend less time riding her out and more time wording on the older mares conditioning so the younger mare isn't spending the time getting use to it.

    The water could also be the result of different things, but with diarhea she'll need to take in plenty of water to replace what he's wasting out so I'd be more concerned if he was drinking less. It could also be a comfort thing, but just from what information it's all just speculating on causes.
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