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    04-20-2010, 10:10 PM
  #11
Yearling
Without understanding why the vet wanted her off senior feed, it's really hard to make a recommendation. Truthfully, the first thought to come to mind is if she was holding her weight well on senior feed then that's what she needs to be on...especially if she is in her late teens or even older.

Sorry, but answers are dependant on the whole picture. Like when she was colicing, how much turnout time was she getting and how much hay (by weight)? Because the change in the incidence of colic may have more to do with the amount of forage she's getting than with the removal of senior feed. And how much water was she drinking before? Has there been a change in the way that water is offered/supplied? Was she in a sandy enclosure?
     
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    04-20-2010, 10:32 PM
  #12
Foal
Thanks roro

Wild spot...never even heard of speedy beet...im guessing that's the same things as beet pulp?

Ryle...nothing has changed besides taking her off senior feed. They noticed that whenever the barometer would change she would colic. So the vet said take her off senior feed. And she hasnt coliced since. She gets sand clear once a month for 7 days in a row. She gets a bran mash twice a month. She goes through about half a tub of water a day which has always been the same. She gets turrned out about 8 to 9 hours a day which has always been the same and she now gets 6 to 7 flakes of hay a day instead of the 4 she was getting when she was on the senior feed. So granted she might have held her weight better when she was on the senior feed but its not worth her colicing and with her being older she can't handle that, that's why im asking about adding rice like ultra bloom or max e glo or beet pulp.
     
    04-20-2010, 10:34 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by maderiaismine05    
Thanks roro

Wild spot...never even heard of speedy beet...im guessing that's the same things as beet pulp?

Ryle...nothing has changed besides taking her off senior feed. They noticed that whenever the barometer would change she would colic. So the vet said take her off senior feed. And she hasnt coliced since. She gets sand clear once a month for 7 days in a row. She gets a bran mash twice a month. She goes through about half a tub of water a day which has always been the same. She gets turrned out about 8 to 9 hours a day which has always been the same and she now gets 6 to 7 flakes of hay a day instead of the 4 she was getting when she was on the senior feed. So granted she might have held her weight better when she was on the senior feed but its not worth her colicing and with her being older she can't handle that, that's why im asking about adding rice like ultra bloom or max e glo or beet pulp.
Why was she getting only 4 flakes on the senior feed, but the when they switched her to a grain, her hay ration magically doubled? One of our senior horses gets his feed topped with vegetable oils. You could also try putting her on probiotics, which help in digestion so she'll get more nutrients.

ETA: Maybe the reason she coliced is because they were giving her too much senior feed, and not enough hay.
     
    04-20-2010, 10:43 PM
  #14
Weanling
I'm not understanding pulling her off the Senior feed either, but I'm no vet. It's complete and is somewhat forage in itself.

I hope the oats you're giving her are steamed rolled. Whole oats will pass right thru her and give her little to no nutrition and she'll drop weight
     
    04-20-2010, 10:59 PM
  #15
Foal
Well for one...nutrition varies from state to state because of climate etc...i don't know the exact reason as to why the vet said to take her off the senior feed. I will ask tomorrow. The reason her hay "magically" doubled was because she wasnt getting the senior feed anymore...i don't know the more I wrote about it things arent making a whole lot of sense to me either...i can only guess that something in the senior feed was casuing her to colic..it wouldnt have to do with her not getting enough hay when she's turned out for almost 9 hours a day on grass. Only difference is when she was on senior feed she would get 2 flakes in the morning with her grain and two flakes at night with her dinner and turned out on grass in between...now its 3 flakes monring, 3 flakes night and a flake while she's turned out for lunch. I don't see how adding one flake every six hours (technically) would make that big of difference when again, she's on grass all day...but I could be wrong...i think im going to call my own vet tomorrow to come have her looked at, or at least give me her opinion and get the exact story from the barn owner tomorrow about the horse...and don't take like she's a crappy barn owner...the horse was dumped on her property about 5 years ago in great health and all of this is just recent...so technically the horse doesnt have a owneer...we all pitch in and buy feed and hay and everything for her as the barn owner doesnt have any horses of her own..she owns two other businesses and doesnt have time.
     
    04-20-2010, 11:33 PM
  #16
Trained
The thing that is throwing me off is that she must have been on a phenominal amount of the senior feed if the equivalent amount of hay is 4 or so biscuits.

Horses were designed to have forage/bulk moving through the gut constantly - It is the best way to ensure their gut functions properly.

Is there any way to supply her with free-choice hay when she is stalled?
     
    04-21-2010, 12:23 AM
  #17
Foal
She was only one two scoops of feed a day, one for am and one for pm...and no...no way she can be on hay the whole time she is stalled. Not a single one of our horses down here not anyone I know down here have there horses constantly forageing like that. And hay isnt cheap here..its $12 for t/a....$16 for timothy and $21 for alfalfa...
     
    04-21-2010, 12:27 AM
  #18
Trained
Is it possible to leave her turned out 24/7 then? Because in all honesty, a horse prone to colic really needs forage available 24/7. Just because no one you know does it doesn't mean it is incorrect - EVERY person I know has their horse on 24/7 turnout. I don't understand the stalling mentality in the US, it is so bad for the horses.

Your hay is about the same as ours - 15-18 for Meadow, 18-25 for Lucerne.
     
    04-21-2010, 12:40 AM
  #19
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Originally Posted by maderiaismine05    
she was only one two scoops of feed a day, one for am and one for pm...and no...no way she can be on hay the whole time she is stalled. Not a single one of our horses down here not anyone I know down here have there horses constantly forageing like that. And hay isnt cheap here..its $12 for t/a....$16 for timothy and $21 for alfalfa...
The place I got my guy from in Zephryhills had all of their horses on 24/7 turn out. There were quite a few places out there that had horses out all of the time. There are LOTS of places in Plant City with pasture board. Of course you're on the other side of the bay, St. Pete is pretty urban.

Also, I consider those prices for hay to be pretty cheap. Do you know by any chance where you get your hay?
     
    04-21-2010, 12:47 AM
  #20
Foal
I never said that 24/7 forage wasnt the "incorrect" way of things..i know that horses are naturally 24/7 forageing...there are horses that arent born into that though...we don't have that kind of grass where im at unless your travel to board your horse 3 hours away in which you don't get to see them but once a week when you work a full time job and on top of that, ANYWHERE in florida has crappy grass anyway..its ALL sand!!!!...horses do survive and survive very well w/o being turned out 24/7. If I had it my way, id be back up north...i lived and had horses in KY and OH and PA...i had race horses my whole life...being down here they do EVERYTHING a** backwards because of the climate and resources they lack here...not my choice...but ill look into her being turned out 24/7.
     

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