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post #1 of 20 Old 09-13-2013, 04:13 PM Thread Starter
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Dishonest Sellers: Which Drug are They Using???

I know people that have bought two different horses from auction that were obviously drugged. They don't seem to be related. Story is:

First, mare in early summer. Slightly over at the knee, but moved sound. Went well in the ring, very alert. The next day she was fine. Maybe slightly off on the left front. Went for a light ride and was very well behaved. Within 3 days of the sale she was horribly lame, on both fronts, worse on the left. Vet check confirmed, very bad trimming and over work had reeked havoc on both fronts. It started with heel pain, so she flexed her knees to lessen the pain, which over time shortened her tendons and gave her sore shoulders. The owner is in the process of slowly lowering her heels in hope of her eventually coming sound. She is extremely sweet, with an a+ attitude, Its such a shame.

Now last week a friend picked up a cute gelding. He moved PERFECT the day after, I tried him myself and he was great, w/t no favoring in the turns. The next day he was slightly off, but so slight it was hard to pinpoint the leg. The day after that he was obviously lame on the right front. Now he is very lame. His feet need a trim, but not horribly, and the angles are right. No swelling. Great attitude, super sweet, very broke.

What drug masks lameness perfectly, doesn't affect attitude or disposition and wears off in 3 days?
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post #2 of 20 Old 09-13-2013, 04:18 PM
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Wow that's a terrible thing to happen. Did the ever talk to the previous owner about it?

And im curious to see what they use too, I was thinking maybe bute but idk.
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post #3 of 20 Old 09-13-2013, 04:20 PM
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I was thinking bute as well.. maybe a very high dosage of it.. .. hmm and idk about talking to previous owners.. if they were bought thru a sale barn or auction house.

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Might be banimine could maybe last 3 days if given enough don't know though.
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It's not bute, you can see lameness this severe even through high doses of bute. He is buted currently and it's still very obvious.

I was thinking injectables...
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Cortisone injections? Nerve blocks?
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Buying through an auction is always dodgy. Buying privately it pays to have a horse vetted. When it is vetted the vet should draw blood. Put it into two phials and give vendor one and keep the other. If the horse goes lame within a week the blod can be tested for drugs and if it was doped in any way you can send the horse back and get your money returned.

Most likely bute in a high dose.
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Nerve blocks don't last that long, they wear off quickly. Corticosteroids last much longer than a couple days, but don't make a horse that's dead lame, sound.
High doses of bute.. Yeah I could see that but you're right, they don't mask pain that's that bad. Banamine? Maybe.. But that can make them lethargic.
Interesting.
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These horses weren't worked hard the day after they came back, nor did we do a bunch of lunging, circles or full lameness evaluation. Its possible they were both off the day after they were purchased, but it would be very slight, especially in the case of the gelding. I rode him myself and he trotted out relaxed and willing, I didn't feel any lameness at all. The second day he looked slightly off, but I watched him trotted out on the ground myself and it was slight, I had a hard time pinpointing a leg, as did the BO. It was the third day he really showed lame(just like the mare), now a week later he is dead lame.

Neither had any of the signs of being drugged(droopy ears, personality changes, dragging feet, etc), they were both alert from the beginning, other than lameness their behavior hasn't changed.

I have lots of experience with buted horses, and even the highest dose I've seen applied wouldn't mask how lame these are. The gelding will be seeing a vet shortly.

The sellers are unrelated, and not major sellers(I would recognize the major traders and sellers, never heard of these).

Its just so strange. No behavioural change and wears off in 3 days.
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Well maybe they numbed it?
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