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post #1 of 86 Old 01-10-2017, 03:22 PM Thread Starter
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Angry Do you use a mouth bit? Watch this video and let me know what you think.

I do not like or agree with these things in most cases , good training and compassion is whats needed, not torture tools.
Many I have talked to don't even realize just how much pain the horse feels when excessively tugging and "training" them and I have given **** to some people with their horses about it (IDGAF), and excessive smacking in the back side. a signal is a signal but a beating is a beating.... if you cant train a horse properly then you shoulden't have a horse.
tying its mouth down (which I have seen a bunch of times) is not fixing the freaking issue, its covering it up, torturing your animal (which has feelings and intelligence believe it or not) and just making you a bigger piece of @*&^ in my opinion.

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anyone else feel this way as well?

Sorry for the vent but I was at the stables yesterday (kinda big corporate type housing near city for people that don't have room for their horse pretty much) and it just sort of set me off from some things I'v seen...


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I'm not going to watch that video simply based on the fact that no bit has the rings hanging below the horse's jaw as shown so I don't hold out much hope that the rest of the video will teach me anything useful.

Stay home if you don't like what other people do with their own horses.

FYI, most people do board their horses & many of those horses get better care than someone trying to figure it out in their backyard.
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I'm not going to watch that video simply based on the fact that no bit has the rings hanging below the horse's jaw as shown so I don't hold out much hope that the rest of the video will teach me anything useful.

Stay home if you don't like what other people do with their own horses.

FYI, most people do board their horses & many of those horses get better care than someone trying to figure it out in their backyard.
I just grabbed a random short vid showing my point of rough use of bit... it was more the text I posted as main point.
I mean no offense but the comment "Stay home if you don't like what other people do with their own horses." you might own an animal but you have not right to miss treat them!
to me that statement is asinine but then again I dont eat meat due to moral issues with its "need" so maybe i just have more compassion and awareness for animals...
so if you saw your neighbor beating their dog or cat your cool with it? because they "own " them? common... :/ it could be my own horse or someone elses, you better believe ill speak up to animal abuse... not to is what is nuts in my opinion... and thats what i see alot of... abuse, not training or working, but abuse...
I do agree though that most are better off in housing than the backyard of a noob.

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btw when the horse has its head down by chest as your pulling and its in pain, that is how it can look, below the jaw... the vid is an animation of specifics of a point.
if you are going to comment then watch the vid atleast.

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ANY training tool can be harsh and cause damage, even halters and bitless bridles. It's the HANDS that make the tool harsh or not, not the tool itself. Not many people on here crank on their horses' faces or tie their head's down to their chests. In fact, if you look through threads regarding tie downs and inherently harsh bits (such as twisted wire bits or excessive leverage bits to be used in place of training), the majority of us are against them and in favor of proper training rather than the use of harsh tools. If my horse is ignoring my cues, yes, I will give him a pop on the butt to get him to realize I mean business. It's in no way, shape, or form beating my horse.

I guess I'll have to go tell my dogs (who are stretched out on their 6" thick foam beds at the moment) and my cats (who are basking in the sunshine coming through our floor to ceiling windows in the living room, sound asleep) that they're horribly abused, then go drive to the beautiful barn with irrigated pastures (a rarity in my area) and nice large "stalls" where he's monitored 24/7 and ridden in a bit (which he happily accepts and responds to with a light touch) and let him know that he's being abused as well.

ETA: Would also like to point out that the pics of the guys riding reiners, there is NO pressure on the bit in most of the sequences and in the sequence where the guy goes into the sliding stop, that wasn't a ton of pressure there, even though the horse had his mouth opened.

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If you don't believe that everyone on this forum has the best interests of their horses at heart, I think you belong on a different forum. Your tone does not give me confidence that this is the case. You are going to arouse a lot of antipathy, the way you are going.

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Here we go again!

All I can't say is that neither you nor the person who posted the video, have ever ridden a horse that 'takes a hold' when going into amjump, so following hounds, racing or eventing. You might well make the bland statement that it is a lack of training, that in many cases is not true, you cannot say that top competition horses are not trained and schooled.

The pictures that were at the end of the video were extremes, the girl who aftermher barely run was socking the horse in the mouth, should have been reported and disqualified.

This has all been talked about before and those starting the thread are usually not very experienced or well versed in true horsemanship.
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Eh. It really depends on the person who's in control of the bit, not so much the bit itself. People who are not educated on how to use bits properly, yes, of course there's always going to be people like that who don't know any better, or even people that intentionally use them incorrectly/in a cruel way.
I use a bit with Redz, it's not a 'harsh' bit and I barely even have to use a lot of contact with him. :)
Not everyone who uses a bit is an abuser. Also, some horses don't do well 'bitless'. It really is up to the owner to decide what works best for them & their horse. Point blank period.

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I don't think you guys get my point its the NOOBs and/or people with no care for their animals feelings I'm venting about , not you guys or this forum...
yes I wanted a rise and convo here about this topic but now im being attacked for venting about watching people repeatedly hit their horse and yank on their bits knowing it hurts??
Just because I am new here doesnt mean I am new to horses or have a low IQ...
I am wondering all your thoughts on it and pretty much do YOU deal with it or see it commonly in these types of areas. (I am in Canada BTW)
maybe I picked a bad video for my topic but that's not the main point, just an example of what i am trying to convey and talk about here...
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I just grabbed a random short vid showing my point of rough use of bit... it was more the text I posted as main point.
I mean no offense but the comment "Stay home if you don't like what other people do with their own horses." you might own an animal but you have not right to miss treat them!
to me that statement is asinine but then again I dont eat meat due to moral issues with its "need" so maybe i just have more compassion and awareness for animals...
so if you saw your neighbor beating their dog or cat your cool with it? because they "own " them? common... :/ it could be my own horse or someone elses, you better believe ill speak up to animal abuse... not to is what is nuts in my opinion... and thats what i see alot of... abuse, not training or working, but abuse...
I do agree though that most are better off in housing than the backyard of a noob.
LOL-not sure how we went from bit abuse to cat beating?

By stay home, I meant you do not go to someone's place as a guest & bash methods you don't agree with or fully understand. I'm sure you didn't see bloody mouths or beatings.

Housing? You make it sounds like some sort of tenement. Right now my horses are in 'housing'. It's cold with a sideways rain on icy paddocks. The only abuse I see is happening to me, who is out there tending to their every need.
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