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post #1 of 15 Old 12-27-2011, 02:09 AM Thread Starter
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The dreaded "U" word, possible ulcers!

My Paint gelding whom I have owned for 3 yrs now has had an ongoing battle with loose runny manure. He had this problem since I brought him home. His former owner and vet were very upfront about it and his vet had chalked it up to equine irritable syndrome. She said that since he was in a dry lot , access to grass should make it improve. Somedays are good( poo is formed and normal) other days it is so loose like cow patties.

He has good weight, and is in very good shape health wise...he was on probios and I continued those for a long time but it seemed they had stopped working for him.I swtiched him to Smart Digest Ultra and a month ago switched his feed to a pelleted grain ration balancer. I also had him on 2 months of Equishure (it was the same, good manure and bad manure) I asked the vet to do some tests and everything came back normal and neg., except the occult blood test came back positive ( he has traces of blood in his manure)

My vet told me that he was very surprised that this test came back positive because my paint was the poster child of good overall health besides the loose manure. The vet told me he suspects ulcers and he gave me the different treatment options. All very expensive and to have him scoped I would have to have him sent to Cornell Univer. in NY. He told me about the different meds available and proceedures. The vet also said that he isnt 100% that he does have ulcers but we decided to try the equine mayloxx and see if his symptons improve.
I have an idea of why he may of gotten these, to much time spent in his stall. The horses are always in if it raining and of course PA has been one rainy state a lot latey.

I have already decided to give him the mayloxx and see if his symptoms improve. I am also going to invest in a slow feeder hay bag for him in his stall everyday.He has been drinking a lot so I put two buckets of water for him.

I have read everything from using alfafa to using Miracle clay to Aloe vera juice.I dont know what I want to do , but has anyone had any luck with the hollistic approach...increased turnout , hay feeder when in etc.

What has worked for you ? I have not had him scoped nor have I had him on Gastra guard due the cost ( $1,000) is a lot of money and just cant afford that right now.

Also: Is there something I can give him before going to shows? He only goes to a handful all summer but I would like to treat him before he goes out again.

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post #2 of 15 Old 12-27-2011, 11:02 AM
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I'd eliminate everything in his diet but grass hay first. Keep grass hay in front of him for a week. He could have a sensitivity to just about anything in his diet and that is causing the problem. Add a different probiotic. Make sure it contains oligosaccharides. Add a prebiotic. I use Diamond V. It's cheap too. Check for sand in his poop. If you get improvements, than start adding products back one at a time. No grain products whatsoever. If he's loosing weight, add a loose vitamin/mineral supplement to soaked BP. Add oil.

If you're still not getting anywhere and need to look into ulcer meds, first start with adding alfalfa to his diet. The high Ca will help buffer stomach acids. Keep food in front of him. You need about a month to start healing the ulcers. My vet is very high on compounded omeprazole (powder) as both a preventative and cure for ulcers. I think it ran about $4/day as a preventative. (give it for traveling/showing) You can also try generic Ranitidine. I've seen it at Costco and Sams for about $.10/180mg tablet. You need to give him 6.6 mg/kg or about 3gms at 8 hour intervals. I'd double check my math if you want to try that route.
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post #3 of 15 Old 12-27-2011, 11:08 AM Thread Starter
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The vet checked for sand and for parasites, those test came back normal. He did say there was a very low level of sand/dirt but nothing that he feels would be causing the irritation.

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i like the miracle clay but the cost, for me at the time, was prohibitive given how much my horse needed to make a difference. at this point i give him u-gard but only at about 1/3-1/2 the recommended dose. if i give the full recommended dose he goes off his feed completely which obviously won't work. my gelding is turned out 24/7 which helps as well.
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i like the miracle clay but the cost, for me at the time, was prohibitive given how much my horse needed to make a difference.
Miracle Clay is DE. You can buy it for $30/50# in the chicken feed area of your feed store. Anything that Dynamite markets is gong to be crazy expensive.
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Miracle Clay is DE. You can buy it for $30/50# in the chicken feed area of your feed store. Anything that Dynamite markets is gong to be crazy expensive.
interesting... i'll have to take a look for it. thanks!
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Miracle clay or diatamacious earth (DE) helps because it is Calcium Bentonite. The calcium is an antacid same reason alfalfa is soothing.

Biosponge is pretty much the same thing as well.

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Okay, so what I am hearing is that Diatamataciosu Earth, can cure, or help Ulcers? We have that lying around and use it for Flea control on our pets, and I honestly never thought it could help with Ulcers! Food Grade DE, correct? And how much would you give?
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Do you think the possible ulcer is causing the runny manure or is the runny manure causing the irritation in his digestive system?

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Do you think the possible ulcer is causing the runny manure or is the runny manure causing the irritation in his digestive system?
Personally, I think its the Ulcers causing the runny manure. But, I've been wrong before

I think if you got his Ulcers treated, and they went away that he probably wont have runny manure anymore.
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