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  • Inexpensive gastoguard
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    12-27-2011, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Legend    
Okay, so what I am hearing is that Diatamataciosu Earth, can cure, or help Ulcers? We have that lying around and use it for Flea control on our pets, and I honestly never thought it could help with Ulcers! Food Grade DE, correct? And how much would you give?
Saying DE can cure ulcers is an overstatement. It will help reduce stomach acid which can give the ulcers an opportunity to heal but by itself? No. The dosage for MC is 1 oz. For it to be most effective, you should be giving it at 8 hour intervals if he doesn't have hay in front of him 24/7. (studies have shown alfalfa to reduce stomach acid up to 8 hours after a meal) As cheap as it is, I'd double up 1 oz 2X a day minimum.

I grew up in an area that mines DE and I can honestly say I had never known of a horse with ulcers. Coincidence? We also fed a ton of alfalfa.

the stomach ulcers are upstream of the loose poop...
     
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    12-27-2011, 11:34 PM
  #12
Yearling
Has anyone used Succeed or a supplement like it? It was mentioned to me about a product that is just like succeed called breathe eze ( not sure of the exact name) but cost less. I was curious to try it and see if there was a difference than using the smart digest ultra that he is on now
     
    12-28-2011, 01:11 AM
  #13
Foal
Ulcers can be a serious problem if not treated appropriately. However, as you've said, treatment with Gastrogard is very expensive (because it works & there is still a patent on the product). However, you can try using Ranitidine (Zantac) which can be found very inexpensively as a generic brand - your vet may be able to help find it. It is more labor intensive, but worth it if you don't want to incur the cost of Gastrogard. Personally, I would not recommend the generic omeprazole (which is similar to Gastrogard) as it has been proven (in research papers) to be COMPLETELY ineffective - ie: waste of your money. Other things which help to decrease acid in the stomach are keeping constant grazing/eating activity (saliva has bicarbonate buffers) and decreasing the stress level (if he hates being near his neighbor, move him; if he likes being outside, arrange to keep him out more; etc).

A gastroscopy (looking in the stomach to check for ulcers with a small camera) is the only way to check for sure if the ulcers are there & I always recommend that if you are thinking of paying money for Gastrogard because if you find out there are no stomach ulcers, then you have saved yourself $1000
     
    12-28-2011, 11:20 AM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Left Hand Percherons    
Saying DE can cure ulcers is an overstatement. It will help reduce stomach acid which can give the ulcers an opportunity to heal but by itself? No. The dosage for MC is 1 oz. For it to be most effective, you should be giving it at 8 hour intervals if he doesn't have hay in front of him 24/7. (studies have shown alfalfa to reduce stomach acid up to 8 hours after a meal) As cheap as it is, I'd double up 1 oz 2X a day minimum.

I grew up in an area that mines DE and I can honestly say I had never known of a horse with ulcers. Coincidence? We also fed a ton of alfalfa.

the stomach ulcers are upstream of the loose poop...
Okay, so once the horse has ulcers DE can't cure it? We feed our horses Alfalfa once a day, and loose gras s the other meal, we have always done that, but now I believe my horse has Ulcers... But is that even possible if the horse has twenty for seven food out, alfalfa?
     
    12-28-2011, 12:22 PM
  #15
Yearling
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Originally Posted by kblakedvm    
Ulcers can be a serious problem if not treated appropriately. However, as you've said, treatment with Gastrogard is very expensive (because it works & there is still a patent on the product). However, you can try using Ranitidine (Zantac) which can be found very inexpensively as a generic brand - your vet may be able to help find it. It is more labor intensive, but worth it if you don't want to incur the cost of Gastrogard. Personally, I would not recommend the generic omeprazole (which is similar to Gastrogard) as it has been proven (in research papers) to be COMPLETELY ineffective - ie: waste of your money. Other things which help to decrease acid in the stomach are keeping constant grazing/eating activity (saliva has bicarbonate buffers) and decreasing the stress level (if he hates being near his neighbor, move him; if he likes being outside, arrange to keep him out more; etc).

A gastroscopy (looking in the stomach to check for ulcers with a small camera) is the only way to check for sure if the ulcers are there & I always recommend that if you are thinking of paying money for Gastrogard because if you find out there are no stomach ulcers, then you have saved yourself $1000


I would love for him to be out more, he is at a boarding barn so when it is raining the horses are kept in. There really isnt an area that he can just be turned out for any period of time to simulate grazing. There is a small area 40x 40 that he can be turned out to when I am there but he cannot go into the pastures when it is raining or muddy. The only way that I can have him on more turnout is if I move him to a barn that has pasture board. I did, however order a nibble net that I will put in his stall so his hay will last him longer while being stalled.

Per advice of my vet he suggested to use horse maloxx for 2 weeks to see if that helps his symptoms. Then maybe try the Rantidine but I believe you have to give that 3 times a day (which may make it hard to get to the barn in the middle of the day due to my husbands and I work schedule)

I do agree that if I use the gastoguard I would probably opt to have him scoped which I would have to send him to Cornell to have that done.

That last 2 options are very expensive so I am trying to figure out what I can do at the barn to make him less stressed and more comfortable.
     

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