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        04-20-2013, 11:59 PM
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    Educate me on probiotics?

    Does anyone have some good sources or general advice on probiotics?

    Is it beneficial to cycle a horse on/off probiotics? I understand that if there's stressful situation coming up that probiotics can be helpful - I'm asking from the perspective of no changes. Same routine, same lifestyle - is it beneficial to cycle a horse on them every few weeks for a few days?



    (The reason I'm asking is because I was doing my summertime electrolyte shopping and started clicking and reading and clicking and reading, and this thought crossed my mind. My horse display no signs of ulcers so I don't think he "needs" probiotics but if it would be helpful to him, then why not.)
         
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        04-21-2013, 10:12 AM
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        04-21-2013, 06:19 PM
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    Making an educated guess, I would say no. I would think if you put a horse on a probiotic say one week on, one week off, you would compromise his natural ability to produce a beneficial environment. Basically, you would make him dependent upon the probiotic and when he is off of it you would potentially create another set of problems. I would save it for stressful situations, deworming or everyday even if it's a half dose everyday. Keep in mind that all pre/probiotics are not create equal. Make sure it contains oligosaccharides if you are feeding it as an ulcer preventative.
         
        04-22-2013, 08:00 AM
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    This link might help you, or mehbee not. Generally TheHorse.com gives some pretty decent information but this one seems to be more of a "yes, I guess not"

    Pre- and Probiotics for Horses | TheHorse.com

    There are PREbiotics, PRObiotics, and pre-probiotics. Within the above link (to the right of the page) there is another link where you can download an overview of Pre and Pro biotics that hopefully will help.

    To feed or not to feed them (and which one or both) depends on the horse's digestive health. There reaches a point where the horse's age also plays a huge part.

    I have my 25+ TWH with EMS and hindgut ulcers is on the PREbiotic "Succeed". Succeed and being fed three times a day has stopped him from colicking.

    Two other horses are on Daily Start (by Equi-Shine) which is both a PREbiotic and a PRObiotic.

    The 27 yo Arab was a starving horse poster child when I rescued him 20 years ago. He has always had a finicky digestive system. While his manure has never been runny, he has always had a "wet" bum, for lack of a better word. He deals with occasional gastric stomach ulcer flare-ups.

    The Spring grass should really be making his bum wet but it's as dry as it can be and has been that way since I put him on the Daily Start.

    My 19 yo TWH has digestive issues that has the vet stymied. I put this horse on Daily Start, as well. Whatever "those" digestive issues are, the Daily Start has markedly improved them. They're still there to some degree (exhibited by loud and somewhat excessive gas) but he is nothing like he was six months ago, Before Daily Start.

    Meaning yes, pre and probiotices have a place in a horse's life. For my three it's a permanent place.

    For some horses, it can be a temporary place after the horse has been wormed, has come off oral pain killers like Bute, aspirin, etc. or after anything that stands a chance of disrupting that particular horse's digestive system.

    Also, Ogliosaccarides are PREbiotics; anytime you see them listed the cost goes up. I'm not chemically smart and don't understand why but I've noticed the cost of PRObiotics can triple when the PREbiotic has been added in.

    Never buy a Pre or Probiotic that doesn't list ingredients and doesn't list CFU's, which need to be in the Billions (with a "B") to be effective.

    Hope that is of some help
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        04-22-2013, 08:05 AM
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    Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
    Does anyone have some good sources or general advice on probiotics?

    Is it beneficial to cycle a horse on/off probiotics? I understand that if there's stressful situation coming up that probiotics can be helpful - I'm asking from the perspective of no changes. Same routine, same lifestyle - is it beneficial to cycle a horse on them every few weeks for a few days?



    (The reason I'm asking is because I was doing my summertime electrolyte shopping and started clicking and reading and clicking and reading, and this thought crossed my mind. My horse display no signs of ulcers so I don't think he "needs" probiotics but if it would be helpful to him, then why not.)
    I keep my horses on Fastrak, 24/7, from foals to aged horses. I find it seems to help them use their feed more efficiently and maintain good weight and coat. I don't cycle on/off because the goal is to keep a steady balance of good flora in the intestines.
         
        04-22-2013, 09:13 AM
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    I also like fast track, for horses and dogs alike.
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        04-22-2013, 09:41 AM
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    Probiotics are not the same as electrolytes. Electrolytes replace what is lost thro sweat. Probiotics are composed mainly of the B complex of which there are many. My horses get probiotics for a week after deworming? Adding B vitamins benefits the animal and helps maintain balance in the gut. The probiotics my horses get are home grown which is a very cheap way to get them into the horse's diet. Each dose costs less than 5 cents per horse.
         
        04-22-2013, 09:58 AM
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Probiotics are not the same as electrolytes. Electrolytes replace what is lost thro sweat. Probiotics are composed mainly of the B complex of which there are many. My horses get probiotics for a week after deworming? Adding B vitamins benefits the animal and helps maintain balance in the gut. The probiotics my horses get are home grown which is a very cheap way to get them into the horse's diet. Each dose costs less than 5 cents per horse.
    Umm, no one in this thread confused electrolytes with probiotics.
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        04-23-2013, 12:36 AM
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    I found that it helps to regulate my horse, especially after being on any sort of treatment.

    What I know is that it provides/promotes good bacteria in the hind gut rather than the bacteria that are not helpful to a horse's digestion.

    If my horse has the runs, after a good dose of probiotics it stops and he seems better. It helps with worming too because sometimes that makes his body do funny things.

    It's definitely worth researching further. I took an equine nutrition course and paired with the knowledge I have of probiotics already I know it's helping him out when I adminster it.

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    I have heard of pre-biotics but not pre-probiotics so I'll have to investigate those..
         

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