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    12-19-2013, 02:16 PM
Elevated CK on blood test? ideas

So my show gelding who I owned for years displayed stranger behavior and was more grumpy and odd.... I tried a few tests for colic and animal hospital said have local vet run blood tests. A couple levels were high but she said due to burst blood cells in sample.... the CK level was definitely high...not super high but abnormal.... no signs there of an ulcer which could be missed on a blood test still....but for the most part, I do not believe this as the case due to other tests...

So CK level she said hypp (nope doesn't have), pssm (doubleful and if so almost no signs), ty up (has never done so), colic (did show signs on regular grass hay three weeks ago but she said test wouldn't show that now) or torn muscle (no lameness issues) are what the test would show her best guess.... she said he is healthy and sound tests shows minor abnormality probably one of above should be fine. Lately he is back to normal personality

Additional info: I had him tested due to grumpy, alone in pasture, colic deal that lasted four hours and minor, and just change in attitude.... while he had been in pasture for months unridden. He also was grumpy off and on spring training unusual why I did other tests for ulcer there and more pissy in stalls.
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    12-19-2013, 02:32 PM
My knowledge of horses is limited, but I DO know about what an elevated creatine kinase is in people and am suspecting it is similar in horses. Creatine kinase is an enzyme that is present in all the muscles of the body and is a catalyst in the energy conversion process. Any kind of muscle strains are the primary causes of elevated creatine kinase levels. I'm wondering if this could be the cause in your horse?
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    12-19-2013, 03:11 PM
Thanks Rosie... it is a possibility but considering he is munching on a round bale and only walking around for the past month.... :) He has been less active standing alone and cranky (not laying down just standing) why I tested now. Currently he is normal.... no sign of muscle strain but you could be right just a strain where I can't see or tell it is there if he was playing around with the other horses...
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    12-19-2013, 03:42 PM
I did a little research and found this...
Laminitis - The Laminitis Site
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    12-20-2013, 11:09 AM
My farrier and vet would have caught that... also he is a reining horse but he was started above and beyond slow. He has excellent feet! He doesn't have any performance/movement issues. It is more just a change in his mind set..... which unfortunately can be caused by multiple issues..... currently he is normal again. The CK is interesting my vet said could be high from laying down too much pre test even and nothing is wrong. Although he was not laying down pre test and hasn't been laying down a lot.

Thanks for the article!!!! I like reading on any possibility.
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    12-20-2013, 11:17 AM
I appreciate the help... some of my friends are like why are you spending all this money he is healthy. It is so tough with horses... I owned him eight years only the owner can see the changes sometimes.... my barn mates see it too, but also are scratching their heads like me. The lucky part is there isn't a major issue that the vet sees. She said healthy and sound.... could be indicator as it is off.... and with the strange behavior... our barn may be strange we work them hard and do performance work. We work on ground and respect, yet they are super friendly critters. His mood is off, I am too much like a worried parent. That test makes it tougher... nothing recommended as possibilities by the vet is adding up. I won't be over paranoid (okay a tad) but digging my feet in and searching....
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    12-20-2013, 11:25 AM
Has he gotten sour with the groundwork or training, anticipating an upcoming show season? Horses don't need or like to continually repeat what they already know. Some mentally shut down, others get irksome.
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    12-22-2013, 12:15 PM
Saddlebags I believe that has a lot to do with it he is bored with the repeat training.... he likes the new and interesting. I will trail ride him more next year.... give more breaks. He didn't have a ton of training this year and I switched to a closer trainer. At first he seemed to really like it/take to new ways he was asked. First month I was astounded... guy had a different method but training did not confuse him as similar same cues just gentler. I.E. Last trainer held head in place whole time to get head set as he fight it.... left for horse to look for release. New trainer corrected then let him keep high corrected a little later... he responded better to not having constant correction.

However things went hay wire last month of training (only three months). I actually suspect as trainer is typically good, but can get in foal moods that something happened.... either health or others later found out had issues with this trainer "ruining" their horse. I will not say he did anything but even if the horse had a bad experience it should be going away by now and trainer recommended a possible ulcer then. We treated and apparently not an ulcer no change in behavior and pressure check no reaction too pre treatment.
    12-22-2013, 12:27 PM
Were his selenium levels normal? Selenium plays a major role in muscle relaxation. It's a vital mineral to have, if his levels are low, perhaps his muscles are achey and straining just due to the mineral imbalance. This will also cause grumpy behavior.

So many horses are deficient. Unfortunately.
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    12-23-2013, 02:29 PM
Those levels must have been fine. I asked her to send the paper work but she hasn't... must have forgot. She said too other levels were high even though she said a little and probably due to burst cells so normal I still want to see all info

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