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post #21 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 03:31 AM
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Slaughter houses in Canada is a large part of the reason our horse industry is doing so well, there are fewer cases of abuse, neglect and unwanted horses than in the states because there is somewhere for the unwanted horses to go. Look through American Craigslist and you'll find hundreds of sorry looking skinny horses for free or cheap, they're a rarity in Canada BECAUSE when someone can't care for their horse they have somewhere to send it. I would MUCH rather a horse experience a quick death and then be put to good use than see it standing starving in a field, abused or not a neglected life is a sad life.

I am 100% for slaughter, and while it does make my heart ache more so than the slaughter of other 'food animals' because I have a personal connection to horses, my 'rational side' knows that what it boils down to is the fact that horses are livestock.

OP, I haven't seen any tempers come out yet. Just people stating their opinions, that isn't a bad thing and I commend you for admitting your naivety. It's something a lot of us have done over the years, as I don't imagine very many people spent their early years believing horse slaughter is a "good" thing. Maybe some of the opinions here will open your mind a little?
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post #22 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SeemsLegit View Post
As stated once previously, this was not intended to fire everyone up. It is merely here for those who may be interested in taking a look. For those who aren't, please don't grow confrontational - again, that's not why I posted this. I'm not interested in defending myself or fighting against anybody else to get a point across.

I'm young, and perhaps I'm naive and unaware of the consequences of abolishing the practice. What I do know is that a massive amount of magnificent animals are being abused and killed because there is not a place for them. This doesn't happen to us, so why are they deserving? Something needs to change. Whether it is this or some sort of way to control breeding, I believe it needs to happen eventually.

Whatever your belief or cause, I'd love it if this thread could be drawn to a close or kept peaceful from this point onward. I didn't mean to lure out any tempers. C:
Umm...because most of us have the brains to use birth control and not have more kids than we can support....and because we are generally not dependent upon someone to feed us.

There are way too many horse, so what do you propose we do with them?

As far as horses being part of the "food industry"-we, at least in the US are quite a ways from horses becoming people food for use here. They are given way too many meds, supplements, etc, and it would cost a fortune to try and regulate that.

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Originally Posted by SeemsLegit View Post
As stated once previously, this was not intended to fire everyone up. It is merely here for those who may be interested in taking a look. For those who aren't, please don't grow confrontational - again, that's not why I posted this. I'm not interested in defending myself or fighting against anybody else to get a point across.
There are some subjects where there is little middle ground and this is one of them, not so many middle of the roaders on this one. Please don;t take it personally, but the thread is likely to get lively, they often do on this subject. The reason is that we all care so very much, but we see different ways of caring, I think we should be more worried if these didn't take off in a way because it would mean that no one really cares.

I know you posted it to get support, and that is great, but in the big wide world part of asking for that support and involvement from others is being able to defend your point of view, not as in having to defend from 'attacks' but in a debate where there is more than one view you need to be able to defend your own viewpoint. So if you really care, and you really believe in a subject, and you really want to make a change in people's views you have to have the passion to 'convert' people.
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post #24 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 11:12 AM
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only way slaughter houses will slow down or even stop is if people stop backyard breeding for the sake of a profit., or making sure then can affored the upkeep of a horse

im more comfortable knowing a horse is being put out of its misery then laying in a paddock starving to death
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post #25 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 12:10 PM
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If you ban it in Canada, it just means Canadian / Northern USA horses are gonna spend a longer time in trains and trucks on their way to Mexico.
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post #26 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 03:53 PM
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To the OP: I just want you to know that no one on here is upset with you. I know some come across as harsh but you have to take everything on a forum with a grain of salt. Most of the posts on here are simply letting you know of the complications that come with banning the slaughter of horses. Please don't take it as a personal attack or a lack of respect for your opinion. Look at it as a learning opportunity and a chance to see both sides of the story. Everyone on here is a "horse lover". None of us want to see horses abused. But here in the U.S. we have proven that banning slaughter only causes there to be more abuse not less. Hopefully Canada will see our mistake and maybe implement some changes in the horse slaughter industry.
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post #27 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 04:47 PM
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I don't agree with horses being slaughtered. and especially the way they are slaughtered. A horse that is starving or unwanted or unloved can be humanly put to sleep by a vet, (like dogs and cats) so why send your 'starving' or 'neglected' horse to slaughter when you can have it put to sleep. and I've yet to see a skinny starved horse on Craigs list. To use money or jobs as a reason to continue is fairly a shallow yet perfectly human response, but to blame a horse for having too many babies by killing her and her babies is pretty cruel. Our country wastes millions of dollars on war efforts and baby formula. I'd rather see my tax dollars going to 'free' for 'discount' gelding of stallions, and money being allotted to rescue groups. I think basically it's just too much for people to admit and handle so it's just easier to kill them. Really there should be effort on educating breeders...and all the horses wrecked and ruined by the racing industry. Well.... They should have to pay for the upkeep of the horses they ruin emotionally and physically. No horse asks to be a racing money maker for a human. I could go on and on, and lots of people feel this way, but as is the case for most things the most aggressive of the group (is this case killers over non killers) will win the battle and keep the non aggressive people cowering at the back of the pack. =) such is life.

and I signed your petition. any petition about saving any creature I'll sign. To me there are no gray areas. Kill or don't kill. I choose don't.
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post #28 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 04:50 PM
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Mama26, I take it you're a vegan, then?

As far as pro-slaughter people being 'killers', that's just nasty hyperbole. There are many reasons why people need to divest themselves of their animals, and if they can't feed themselves or their children, where are they supposed to get the money to euth and either bury or render a very large livestock animal? As far as dogs and cats being 'humanely' euthanized, you obviously have no concept about how many of them are put to sleep each and every day, with no loving owner in sight.

If you don't want your horses going to slaughter, don't send them. It's a very simple concept. And that lie about only old, skinny horses going to slaughter? Just AR propaganda. They don't send old, skinny cattle or hogs to slaughter, because the healthier and in good weight animals fetch the highest prices. The same goes for horses.

You're entitled to your opinions but please base them on FACTS, not hysterical, outrageous claims that have little to no bearing on the actual truth. It's a sad, cruel world out there and everything eats something else to live. Humanity is no different.
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post #29 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer View Post
Mama26, I take it you're a vegan, then?
And don't use de wormer, fly spray, etc, I'm never quite sure where a life begins to have meaning? Is it when animals have 4 legs and fur rather than lots of little legs and scales? (OK all the technically correct people I get that probably isn't right, but it is a genuine question)

As a human I am a killer of lots of little living creatures, I let someone else kill far more on my behalf to feed my meat craving, it seems a little (jeez I forget the word) ?????? for me to sit here and say don't kill horses because they are special.

If you have not seen a skinny starved horse on craigs list, then you can't check it very often, I have to run or I would find you some doozies.

As to euthing at home, trouble with that it is very easy to flush a goldfish, and very hard to flush a horse! Seriously disposal of the remains is a huge worry and problem.

I am a a fan of recycling, and would think that horses entering the food chain as a processed meal for a carnivore isn't all bad.
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post #30 of 39 Old 06-04-2013, 05:12 PM
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Depending on the area... euthanasia and disposal of the horse's carcass could potentially cost $1,000's. It's not just that simple to say "don't send them to slaughter! Euthanize them!"
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