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EPSM gene type I neg and pos

Ok, so I am starting this new thread referencing my percheron, Belle and pinto draft cross, Snickers. My recent other two threads have kind of become combined and I'm not sure where to post these results.

So, I got the EPSM gene Type I results from the University of Minnesota. They were emailed and very simple. The report will be mailed on Monday. I'm not sure what type of detail, if any, it will have.

Snickers D13-009480 is N/N negative
Belle D13-009478 is P/N one positive gene


I've sent these results via email to Dr. Valentine to see what she recommends now with Snickers have the negative result. Not sure if this is a 'for sure' thing, or if I should have a muscle biopsy to be sure. Then the whole diet thing...... I will let you know what she says and if the report says anything more detailed when I receive it next week.

If I'm not dealing with EPSM with Snickers, then comes the question on how many $K's I spend or not to look at.....idk.

And, then if Belle is positive, with really no substantial symptoms, how I alter her life.
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Ok, so there is a chart on the University of Minnesota explaining.....

Recent advances in PSSM genetic testing - CVM - UMEC, University of Minnesota
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I don't think I will be convinced with the neg result unless I have a muscle bx done. Scroll down this article under PSSM.....so interesting.

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Very interesting!!
Time to consult with Dr.I take it. Could they have mixed up the samples? That would make sense then...
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Very interesting!!
Time to consult with Dr.I take it. Could they have mixed up the samples? That would make sense then...
Lol...I thought of hair mixup too....I'm trying not to be paranoid. I doesn't surprise me about Belle, even though I didn't expect things to go this way. Belle is older, moves slower and is much larger and Lord only knows what her past was before me. With her, I have noticed trembling after work and her moving like a heavy tank when asked to go forward. She also is trying hard to get her hind legs underneath herself, she backs pretty well. BUT, like I said, she is a tank and older too. Dr. V. Had mentioned her lack of topline in her email, which was a recent picture, after I thought she already gained a lot of muscle there. When I got her, her spine was raised above her muscle and her muscle sloped downward. Now her back is like a table top and she doesn't have her spine raised, but obviously she is swaybacked. She CAN do huge belly lifts though when scratching her belly. So, I am working at trying to get her to collect more during our lessons to raise her back. I finally found a 7" bit that she really seems to like more than the single jointed snaffle she had. It made her miserable with her huge tongue and low palate. We will see, I have only had her in it once so far.

Now Snickers.....I'm continuing on with the same route. I had an extensive chat with her former vet from in Lemoore. She agrees with the possibility of Type II EPSM. She said if the result was positive, all I can do is diet change anyway. I will keep muscle biopsy in mind too. I start working soon, so I can choose more to spend money on my horse being a guinea pig. She said to stay focused and on one path instead of being sent in so many different directions. I'm sure I will hear from Dr. Valentine next week.

I swear, when I read about EPSM, it is like the book was written about Snickers. I had that same feeling when my daughter was young and she was being diagnosed with multiple mental disorders. I read Temple Grandin's book about Asperger's Syndrome and cried knowing that was her. Despite what others said, I knew my daughter best and was her advocate. I ended up with the top specialists in that area, who did, in the end, diagnose her with Asperger's Syndrome. I am not trying to chase ghosts here. It would be sooooo much easier to drop the whole thing. But I am with this horse everyday and have a big connection to her. I just want to help her if there is a chance I can.
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I agree with you former vet. I think I would do the same thing, feed for EPSM and see from there, and not get sidetracked for at least 6-9 months. And Belle right along with it.
I keep thinking of how to get all that fat into them lol....maybe sprinkling some of the oil over the hay, as somebody suggested already. I would have said divide into more meals but I don't think it's possible with you planning on taking on work........
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I agree with you former vet. I think I would do the same thing, feed for EPSM and see from there, and not get sidetracked for at least 6-9 months. And Belle right along with it.
I keep thinking of how to get all that fat into them lol....maybe sprinkling some of the oil over the hay, as somebody suggested already. I would have said divide into more meals but I don't think it's possible with you planning on taking on work........
Yes, this will be challenging, but I will do everything I can. So far I have them only putting only half of their hay in their bin and leaving the other half in a bucket for me to net. Many of times, there is still hay in the net when next feeding comes around. So, I'm hoping to put double hay in the net in the evening to where they would have hay in there, along with their morning ration in the bin to last until the following evening when I do double load in the net again. That is when I'd feed there hard feed too. If my schedule allows me to go out very early in the morning too, then I will. We will just have to wait and see. It's too tedious to ask someone else to do this, at least at this point. I thought of the oil on the hay, but then I won't be able to tell how much each gets.
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