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    08-15-2009, 06:42 PM
  #1
Foal
EPSM info

My horse has some of the syptoms of Epsm. The vet suggested I change his diet and add rice bran oil to his grain. I am looking for suggestions on what to feed him. He is at a large barn and is fed Purina''s Horsemens edge.

I am guilty of being an uninformed horse mom and have always trusted the barn management, they are great, but really can't give as individulized care as they should. I would like to get more involved and it looks as though I need to especially now.

Although I may not be as knowlegeable as I should be, I love him so much and am worried.
     
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    08-15-2009, 07:35 PM
  #2
Yearling
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Originally Posted by palgal    
My horse has some of the syptoms of Epsm. The vet suggested I change his diet and add rice bran oil to his grain..

To start off, its EPM :) . Have you looked up anything about it online? We have had horses with suspected EPM, but the only surefire way to tell is by testing spinal fluid, which is risky/expencive. There are different ways to go about treating EPM, but if all your vet told you was to change his diet and add rice bran oil, I would get a new vet.
     
    08-15-2009, 08:26 PM
  #3
Foal
Rural Heritage Vet Clinic - EPSM in Draft Horses

It is epsm she is talking about. Not epm. She did warn me not to get the two confused. I am grateful it is not epm, looks bad.
     
    08-16-2009, 11:26 AM
  #4
Yearling
Ok sorry for the confusion!!!!

From what I gather from the link there, its just tying up. I guess you can change their diet, we have 2 horses that are prone to tying up, but we never changed their diets. We just watch how we work them. If they get a day off, the next day they don't work hard. Watch for sweating while working. They will begin to sweat the most behind the ears if they are prone to tying up. Its a good sign to stop working them. Make sure to cool them out properly after working. We also give ours a drug called RVI (Rubeola Virus Immunomodulator) now, this has NO connection with tying up. Its actually used to treat myositis, but has also been showed to improve horses with navicular. And for some reason it helps with horses who tie up. I don't know why, but we were recommened it by a vet. Since we started giving it, our horses have not tied up at all. Its given under the skin, NOT in the muscle. If you hit the muscle the neck will blow up like you have never seen a neck blow up. Its a HUGE poblem then, we have never had that happen thank god.... anyway, other than that, adding a handfull of baking soda to every meal helps too. If you don't want to use that, you can use a powder called "Bounce Back", its basically sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) with some added minerals. Sodium bicarbonate helps with potassium depletion.

My biggest advice to you, DO NOT MOVE A HORSE WHO IS TIED UP. Back in the old days (and sometimes even now) people believed to walk them out of it. Don't. Its the WORST thing you can do for a horse whos tied up. Leave them still. If it is not bad they usually come out of it fine themselves.... BUT if it is bad give the horse bute, banamine, and some tranquilizers (ace promazine) to help him relax his muscles. If its bad, call a vet too. Horses CAN die from tying up!!!!!!!

There really is no treatment for tying up... its mostly all preventative. Good luck.
     
    08-16-2009, 01:21 PM
  #5
Yearling
Here is a list of diets layed out to be appropriate for EPSM & balanced:
Beth Valentine's Recommended EPSM Diets
     
    08-16-2009, 06:16 PM
  #6
Foal
Thanks for the info. I don't how I missed that list of diets from Beth Valentine, that is exactly what I was looking for.

The times that he acts as if he is tying up is when we are on the trail and sometimes a distance from the barn. How long (I know each case is different) does it usually take for them to get out of it?
     
    08-16-2009, 07:58 PM
  #7
Weanling
This is the Selenium/Vit E supplement I have. And here are the fatty acid supplements that I use on my horses. Dac oil and Bloom - I don't like corn oil as it is high in omega 6.
     
    08-16-2009, 08:30 PM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by palgal    
Thanks for the info. I don't how I missed that list of diets from Beth Valentine, that is exactly what I was looking for.

The times that he acts as if he is tying up is when we are on the trail and sometimes a distance from the barn. How long (I know each case is different) does it usually take for them to get out of it?
it depends how bad it is. If its not bad, usually 20-30min. I would keep him close to home until he builds up more so that he's not tying up as easy. You might also want to take a tube of bute paste with you on rides incase he does start to tie up.
     
    08-16-2009, 08:31 PM
  #9
Yearling
I forgot to add, put a cooler on him if he ties up, no matter how hot it is. Because he will sweat when he ties up, keeping him covered will stop him from cooling off from the sweat and the heat helps the muscles to relax

And watch for him to pee and deficate after tying up. This is crutial. And don't be alarmed when he does pee because it will be dark. The worse the tie up the darker it will be. I've seen one pee almost black
     
    08-16-2009, 09:07 PM
  #10
Yearling
You do not want to be adding a Vit E/Selenium supplement to the diet of a horse without first knowing that the diet is deficient in selenium. The difference between adequate selenium and over-dosing selenium is very small and the symptoms can be chronic. If selenium deficiency is a possibility, blood testing should be performed to determine if it is in fact a problem and then supplementing should be done with caution and with an eye to the overall balance of the diet as a whole.
     

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