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    03-04-2009, 10:52 PM
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Equine evaluations? need feedback please!

Okay - so I'm thinking of offering equine evaluations locally and wanted to get some feedback.

First - I've been around horses for over 29 years, I've owned horses for 16 years, and have a B.S. In Equine Studies from Centenary College, and was the training reward recipient in my graduating class. I have experience as a barn manager, trainer, and an extensive background in saddle fitting from working with numerous saddlers on my incredibly hard to fit TB from years ago.

In addition to this, I have worked as a trimmer (not a full farrier as I do not do shoes) with numerous farriers and specialists, and have a background with equine pre-vet classes. I also work with a horse rescue, and have extensive experience from nutritional and rehabilitational perspective, including an independent study on rehabilitation from severe abuse and injury.

What I'd offer - I have a reputation locally where people already will from time to time call me to look at their horses and help them identify if they need a better fitting saddle, a chiro adjustment, a massage, nutritional changes, or a different workout routine, etc. and would be interested in officially offering this as a service, for a reasonable fee. I work with several chiros and massage therapists that I could recommend - but would not require as I feel that it's important for everyone to have a comfort level with who they choose. I also work with a supplement company, and network with several great tack shops. I DO NOT get any kick backs from making recommendations, nor do I ever require people use anyone specific, or any specific brand. I have personal preferences, but I know that does not mean it is right for everyone.

1. Is this something (if ever necessary/appropriate) you would be interested in for your horse?
2. What would the value of this be for you - a typical consult would include traveling to your facility (i'd charge a minimal mileage fee), and a 1 hour or so evaluation that incldues watching the horse move, checking saddle, checking for body/back/limb soreness, and coming up with a recommendation.
3. NOTE - this is NOT a soundness exam - for example, I have seen horses where I felt they could be suffering from something lymes or other issues like DJD, and have and will ALWAYS recommend a veternarian consultation. Main focus is identifying correctable NON-MEDICAL issuesand coordinating with a chiro/massage/accupuncturist, saddle fit, bit suggestion, and workout routine to improve the horse's overall body condition and way of going. I'm also not looking to replace anyone as a trainer, I'm looking to work with trainers to compliment their work with a physical workout routine and all of the above that will work best. I already have my own barn that I'm based out of and not at all looking to steal business, I'm looking to network :) (already have a good positive network of barns around here)

Let me know what you think! Thank you! Like I said I do this for some friends locally but would be interested in making it more official. Thank you!!!! :)
     
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    03-04-2009, 11:01 PM
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Foal
I think it would be a great idea. You have alot to offer and so many people need someone to help them get pointed in the right direction. I know of a few people that do equine services here in CA. They charge $0.50/mile. Then either a service fee or an hourly fee. But that would be something youd have to see what your area can handle and what you feel your time is worth.

Good Luck!
     
    03-04-2009, 11:03 PM
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Thank you - I'd like to keep it less than the cost of an hourly lesson, so that it's reasonable and easily justified. I was thinking like $50? Since most hourly lessons around here are $60 - $100. And then for mileage, I love the idea of the $0.50, it's very reasonable and covers gas and additional time! Thanks!

Anyone else? Thoughts? Even bad ones!!!
     
    03-04-2009, 11:06 PM
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Maybe $30 for a follow up session to see results and progress? So that if people want me to come back and continue to help it's less $ for them?
     
    03-05-2009, 10:59 AM
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Yearling
I would very very closely go through your state's veterinary practice act because even assessing a horse and saying "chiropractic work might be beneficial" may run you dangerously close to what could be construed as practicing veterinary medicine without a license. For example, chiropractors who are not licensed veterinarians or working under the direction of a licensed veterinarian in the state of New Jersey are "practicing veterinary medicine without a license" per the state laws. So if you start offering your services I would limit any recommendation for a horse that appears to have a medical problem to "you should have this horse assessed by your veterinarian".

"Any person shall be regarded as practicing veterinary medicine within the meaning of
this chapter, who, either directly or indirectly, diagnoses, prognoses, treats, administers,
prescribes, operates on, manipulates, or applies any apparatus or appliance for any
disease, pain, deformity, defect, injury, wound or physical condition of any animal,
Including poultry and fish, or who prevents or tests for the presence of any disease in
Animals, or who performs embryo transfers and related reproductive techniques, or who
holds himself out as being able or legally authorized to do so."--http://www.state.nj.us/oag/ca/laws/vetlaws.pdf
     
    03-05-2009, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryle    
I would very very closely go through your state's veterinary practice act because even assessing a horse and saying "chiropractic work might be beneficial" may run you dangerously close to what could be construed as practicing veterinary medicine without a license. For example, chiropractors who are not licensed veterinarians or working under the direction of a licensed veterinarian in the state of New Jersey are "practicing veterinary medicine without a license" per the state laws. So if you start offering your services I would limit any recommendation for a horse that appears to have a medical problem to "you should have this horse assessed by your veterinarian".

"Any person shall be regarded as practicing veterinary medicine within the meaning of
this chapter, who, either directly or indirectly, diagnoses, prognoses, treats, administers,
prescribes, operates on, manipulates, or applies any apparatus or appliance for any
disease, pain, deformity, defect, injury, wound or physical condition of any animal,
Including poultry and fish, or who prevents or tests for the presence of any disease in
Animals, or who performs embryo transfers and related reproductive techniques, or who
holds himself out as being able or legally authorized to do so."--http://www.state.nj.us/oag/ca/laws/vetlaws.pdf
Thank you and I COMPLETELY agree...it is NOT a soundness exam, it is not a vet exam, and any chiro I work with/recommend is a licensed vet so the answer is never you need a chiro. It's I think an assessment from a veterinarian that does equine chiro may be beneficial. :)
If the horse is lame, I won't do an evaluation on them - that's for a vet to do, and I'll say that up front.

Here's what I worked on for my website (it's a work in progress so please bear with me) but I tried to be very clear in explaining it that it's targeted to horses that are stiff, saddle fit issues, etc.
Equi-Eval | Full Service Equine Evaluations


Thank you SO much for the feedback!
     
    03-05-2009, 02:08 PM
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mls
Trained
The million dollar question - why would someone pay for you to come to their barn? Chiro issues require a vet or chiro, soundness issues - vet and or farrier, soreness - massage therapy, saddle fit - saddle fitter.

Basically you want to be a 'consultant' (I know I am not fond of that word either). But these days when the economy impacts the check books of everyone I am not sure it's realistic to ask for a fee - only to have you refer to someone else.

Not trying to throw water on you - I'm just a practical type person by nature and think through both sides of issues.
     
    03-05-2009, 02:33 PM
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Mls - I can appreciate and understand your question - however so many trainers and day to day horse people do not know how to properly fit a saddle, or how to identify if their horse needs a chiro (skeletal issue), massage (muscular issue), vet (soundness issue), or what not.

I've had some interest and several calls locally to assist people in saddle fitting and helping them understand if their horse needs a chiro or is it just joint stiffness, and have consulted a vet to say the horse is sound, it's not a soundness issue and the owner is unsure of where to go from there. Saddle fit is a theme that repeatedly comes up, and not all vets are well versed in saddle fitting or assessing if a horse needs chiropractic work. I work with a vet who is excellent - however is not very adept at identifying when a horse is in need of a chiro adjustment - but is a wonderful surgeon and what not.

Also - price wise I'm significantly less than most hour lessons around her ($60 - $100/hr lesson) and not looking to take business away from the trainer. In addition, not every horse needs a chiro, or a massage. Plenty just need a better fitting saddle, or even more so, a proper conditioning plan that takes into consideration the physiology and performance of the horse based on their background and conditioning and conformation - all which are things that I am more that qualified and able to do. Most "average" trainers do not know how to put together a good conditioning plan to bring a horse's muscling back properly (not directed at anyone in here - I'm talking about so many of the people I've worked with around me that just longe the horse for exercise in side reins - and ther'es a LOT more to a properly conditioned musculoskeletal system than longing).

Is this a service that applies to everyone? No. But is this a service that can help people SAVE money? Absolutely. Because rather than spend money on a chiro that your horse doesn't need only to find out he has saddle fit issues, or replace your saddle to find out that the chiro would have been a much cheaper alternative...I'm helping people identify solutions to their problems to get more out of their horses. Hope that makes sense. Not everyone has the money to pay for a vet exam, to hire a chiro, and then a massage therapist to see what works best.

I'm working on the pages for my site now (link in my above post) with more information.
     
    03-05-2009, 03:10 PM
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Weanling
I just looked at your website.....I was wondering if you knew of anyone on the West coast that does this kind of thing. I haven't been able to really find anybody. I live in Oregon but if there were somebody in the North Cal, Washington, Idaho, Oregon area that would work. Thanks so much!


P.S. I think this is a great idea!! :)
     
    03-05-2009, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by randiekay215    
I just looked at your website.....I was wondering if you knew of anyone on the West coast that does this kind of thing. I haven't been able to really find anybody. I live in Oregon but if there were somebody in the North Cal, Washington, Idaho, Oregon area that would work. Thanks so much!


P.S. I think this is a great idea!! :)
You know I have a lot of friends I network with out there and can certainly ask around. At the very least, if it helps I can do a basic eval via email. It's not as thorough though and I highly recommend in person if you can :)
     

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