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    02-25-2013, 03:12 PM
  #1
Foal
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My horse has EMS and I would just like to see who else has a horse with this condition and what you do to help keep your horse healthy. I have used supplement after supplement and so far the only one that seems to work the best is Quiessence. Please add what supplements you use and have been most successful and what else you do to take care of your horse. The only real problem I have with my horse is keeping the crest on his neck down and his sheath swells up. When the grass has a lot of sugar in it, I.e., during the spring, I put a grazing muzzle on him so he is limited to the amount of grass he eats. I work with him and ride him to help keep his weight down but I am away during the week due to school so I am only able to work him on the weekends when I am home. Thanks for all your help!!
     
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    02-25-2013, 03:32 PM
  #2
Trained
Well, diet, first and foremost. I would restrict grazing, severely, not only per muzzle. Everything needs to be low NSC, not higher than 11%.
I use Remission and noticed the fat deposits on his rump dramatically reduced, crest considerably softened. But he needs to be on loading dose.
My main problem is availability of low NSC hay here. Grass hay costs a fortune, alfalfa is low NSC, but high calorie, and grain hay, 3way or oat, although the cheapest, by far, has loads of NSC.
I now give 20% 3way, 40% alfalfa and 40% grass hay, in slowfeeder nets.
For "grain" soaked alfalfa pellets, an omega supplement and a vit/min supplement.
Horses are on drylot, 24/7
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    02-25-2013, 04:16 PM
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Green Broke
Well, I thought I had copied my post just in case but I didn't and lost the entire thing

Ditto Deserthorsewoman and I might try the Remission.

Are you sure you're dealing with Equine Metabolic Syndrome or true Insulin Resistance? There is a slight difference between the two.

EMS is a/k/a "Peripheral Cushings" and I think that is because EMS causes a loss of muscle mass.

I have one of each; ie, an EMS horse and a horse with true insulin resistance.

The EMS horse is now a hard keeper but the IR horse just won't lose weight, his insulin stays in the outer stratosphere and he finally foundered big time in March, 2012.

Mr. EMS was diagnosed May, 2007 and has never had a laminitic episode.

Mr. IR diagnosed in June, 2010 and always did get ouchy hooves in the Spring.

While they have low NSC in common, that's where it ends as the EMS fella is now a hard keeper.

The IR fella eats McCauley's M-10 Balancer, which is a soy/oat/corn-free ration balancer. He gets 40 measured ounces of straight timothy pellets. I measure dry, then add water. He gets that three times a day, plus the best orchard grass/mix hay I can buy.

I have tried nearly all the over-the-counter products to control his insulin and to no avail. The only thing that is working for him is a prescription herbal blend called "Hot Hoof 1" from Dr. Xie. It can only be bought by a vet who has taken Dr. Xie's course.

It was either the herbs or Thyro-L for this horse, so I chose the herbal route. It's been 2-1/2 months and the IR horse has lost some weight and his cresty neck is gone. The real truth will be when Spring grass comes on. He will still be wearing a grazing muzzle, as well.

Dry lotting is something that is recommended but that depends on the lay of your land and if you board.

My property is impossible to build a dry lot because I would then have to build this horse his own shelter. Everything in an area, in the blistering sun, where he could see the other horses so he wouldn't try to jump the fence ---yes he's done that too and it cost me a vet bill and chiro bill

If you've reached the end of your over-the-counter-products-rope, my only thoughts are Thyro-L (which is only temporarily given and the horse must be weaned off), or the herbal blend Hot Hoof 1 which I have been assured causes no harm to vital organs. All I see my horse do is drink more water, eat more salt, lose some weight and that cresty neck

Here's the link to Dr. Xie (Hot Hoof 1). Check the bar on the left to see if any vets in your area are qualified to sell his products, if you're interested. It's not cheap. 3 lbs cost me $120 but it lasts around two months; I forgot to date the previous tub but it's at least 8 weeks.

Welcome to Dr. Xie's Jingtang Herbal

And there's no guarantee the Hot Hoof 1 or something else would work on your horse. It was a last resort for my horse that, thankfully is working so far
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    02-25-2013, 04:32 PM
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I have tried Remission and it made his crest worse and his sheath swelled up big time. I thought it was the hay he was eating so I switched the hay I was giving him and continued to give him the Remission but his condition was not getting better. I took him off the Remission and his crest has gone down considerably and his sheath does not swell as much. I feed him McCauley's M30 and I have been giving him that for over 5 years. The one thing that really confuses me is that my horse has never been tender footed or shown any signs of ouchiness. He is a barefoot horse and whenever I ride on rocky terrain I put boots on him.
     
    02-25-2013, 04:36 PM
  #5
Trained
I guess I have to clarify
My blimp is not diagnosed IR or EMS.
He IS a super easy keeper, had patchy fat deposits where there shouldn't be any, has the cresty neck. So all im doing is basically preventing the onset of either...what really worked was the Remission in reducing the upholstery, and the slowfeeder nets in reducing hay intake without starving him.

I've found quite a bit of interesting reading about magnesium, and what it does for an IR or EMS horse. I also found it is and was being used for cattle grazing spring pasture, to prevent bloat.
If one googles "magnesium for horses" all kinds of info comes up, the one on elektralife being the most interesting.
     
    02-25-2013, 04:40 PM
  #6
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cloudlover    
I have tried Remission and it made his crest worse and his sheath swelled up big time. I thought it was the hay he was eating so I switched the hay I was giving him and continued to give him the Remission but his condition was not getting better. I took him off the Remission and his crest has gone down considerably and his sheath does not swell as much. I feed him McCauley's M30 and I have been giving him that for over 5 years. The one thing that really confuses me is that my horse has never been tender footed or shown any signs of ouchiness. He is a barefoot horse and whenever I ride on rocky terrain I put boots on him.
I did hear different mag supplements work differently in horses. Strange.....
     
    02-25-2013, 05:29 PM
  #7
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
I did hear different mag supplements work differently in horses. Strange.....
I have to wonder if fillers are used and, if so, how much. That would reduce how effective the magnesium is.

I will say that, in the beginning of these metabolic issues, I bought magnesium/chromium that was guaranteed 99% pure and it did not do one thing for either of my metabolic horses

I am almost convinced my pasture is the culprit as it is very high in iron, therefore deficient in copper and zinc. Trying to balance 22 acres would cost a bloody fortune and we are so hilly that Co-op refuses to bring their equipment on our property. There are no guarantees of "righting the soil" anyway; at least according to the county Ag guy

Thanks for the elektralife info; I'm going to look that up
     
    02-25-2013, 05:48 PM
  #8
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Quiessence has worked really well for my mare - no more crest or fatty deposits and she manages to keep a decent weight on as she was previously looking ribby.
I restrict her grazing in the summer and keep her on a low starch/sugar diet. She's not had another attack of laminitis in 7 years
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    02-26-2013, 10:56 PM
  #9
Foal
Hello there
I had an Insulin Resistant mare and the best source of info for me was the yahoo group: Equine Cushings Insulin Resistance Group. It is owned and moderated by Dr. Eleanor Kellon, DVM. She is fantastic and has specializes in the metabolic horse. Her group also has other vets and hoof specialists moderating and answering any questions. They also have a ton of archived files that will help you learn everything you need to know to keep your horse healthy!
     
    02-26-2013, 11:27 PM
  #10
Trained
Ecirhorse.com has some really great info. Google 'Magnesium for horses'. Also look into Dr Bruce Nock's research on stress/cortisol levels.
     

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