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    11-11-2011, 10:00 AM
  #1
Weanling
Ethics Question on a skinny horse that is NOT yours

We live in rural upstate SC, and, let me preface, people in this region in general are not the best pet owners; they do, however, get VERY upset and defensive if you butt into their ownership issues. We moved here 7 months ago, acquired a special needs pony while buying our property and have so far rescued and rehomed 2 dogs and 4 cats. And that is just the first 7 months. This includes waking up in the middle of the night to care for a dog mauled by other dogs and having my husband, who is EMT certified (for people), stitch a severe wound that couldn't wait until morning, administering antibiotics, removing massive flea, tick and mite infestations, along with catching and caring for a pregnant cat and then her litter.

This brings me to "Bones" (my son calls him that). Both my kids attend a new school this fall for dyslexic kids that is far away, and each day we drive there. On the way to school daily, we see several horses. There is a horse my son calls "Bones". He is so skinny he looks like a skin rack! I have already called animal control once regarding this issue, and they told me they would look into the matter - but around here AC has been known to hold a dog for only 2 days and then kill it if the owner doesn't show up, so I am not really confident in them to begin with. So far, nothing has been done about poor Bones, and it has been roughly a month since my call. Both my kids are deeply concerned, as am I, about Bones. He is always in the pasture, no blanket (and it's 30 degrees today, which is not a big deal for a healthy horse, but bones has zero fat and his fur is mangy), and though he is surrounded by grass, I am sure the quality is low and his teeth are probably a mess. I would love to knock on the door and take him to our home, but besides my husband killing me for taking in yet another animal on our tight budget, I'm worried these people will be aggressive towards me.

So here is my ethical question: What should I do about Bones? I feel as though I will let down both my children, and, of course, Bones, if I do nothing, but I am not sure what to do. I don't want to cause an issue. The closest equine rescue is about 1.5 hours away, and it is winter and they are economically stressed as it is, plus, how would I get Bones there without the owner's permission?

My husband loves animals, too, but doesn't think I should get involved personally. We have already had a negative issue regarding one of the dogs we rescued, and it was kind of scary (we vetted and cared for the dog for several days and the owner demanded the dog back after we took care of the mauling and threatened us severely - so we gave the dog back, but thankfully the dog was smart and escaped and came to our house the next day, to which I plopped her in the car and drove her to a different county animal shelter and then pleaded the 5th when the owner came back asking about her ... it was frightening).

I realize Bones might be an old horse and some older horses are bony, but Bones is like, WOW, BONES. Looks like a skeleton horse with some skin.

What should I do?
     
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    11-11-2011, 10:12 AM
  #2
Showing
First let me say that I live in rural upstate SC and take offense to the blanket statement about the care we give our animals.

With that out of the way, I'll ask you if you have gone to the owners of the horse and asked about him - in a polite way? If you haven't, then you have some nerve asking how you can basically steal a horse to get it the care that you think it needs.

Lastly, regardless of your good intentions, you stole a dog. You vetted it and then ultimately stole the dog.

Frankly, even though your intentions may be good, you should be reported to the authorities for your actions. You are over your head and coming on the forum asking for people to help you in your misguided efforts, is wrong.

There are proper channels to go through - stealing is not one of them.

Lastly, it is not winter. We may be in a cold snap and the temp gets into the 30's at night but it's in the 60's during the day.
     
    11-11-2011, 10:26 AM
  #3
Green Broke
Keep calling animal control, take pictures from a public place and give them to the rescue. That's about all you can do, Stealing the horse wouldnt be a wise move, and might get you shot.

You may want to spend some time tryin g to fit in and learn the local systems instead of running around half cocked and trying to change everyone else to suit you.
New city people move to the country then expect all the country people and systems to change to be just like their former city.
     
    11-11-2011, 10:40 AM
  #4
Showing
I second everything Iride said.

You may not mean to, but you come across as arrogant, cocky, and self righteous.

I live in rural VA. I'm a suburban transplant and if I acted half as superior as you do to the locals, I'd expect the same treatment you've been receiving. You moved there, not the other way around. They are not required to change their way of life to suit a particular ideal some citified transplant has.

You have no clue that horse isn't receiving veterinary care, and you going off half cocked thinking you're some sort of 'hero' for planning to steal the animal is completely misguided.

The horse could have a debilitating illness, and his owner may be spending a lot of time, money, and emotional trauma trying to get him well. The simple fact is that YOU DON'T KNOW, you just assume he's not being cared for based on your few seconds of seeing him when you drive back and forth.

Your husband is right; short of you calling AC, keep your nose out of it.
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    11-11-2011, 11:03 AM
  #5
Weanling
I second the above posted opinions. At one point I had an elderly thoroughbred mare I was keeping for a friend. Mare was skinny and kept in a pasture surrounded by a middle class neighborhood. I was turned in to the ACO several times & finally told my friend I was tired off the hassle & asked her to move the horse. Maybe nothing has been done because (like me) a chat with the owner revealed the horse is NOT being neglected. And the dog you drove to another county's animal shelter? You likely deprived him of a home, because YOU didn't think it was good enough, and signed his death warrant. With rare exceptions, city/county animal shelters have pretty poor adoption rates.
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    11-11-2011, 11:11 AM
  #6
Foal
Honestly there is not much you can do, its not your horse and your liable to get a gun in your face for trespassing and sticking your nose where is doesn't belong.
I know its a hard pill to swallow that we can't save all animals that look like they are not cared for properly but like SR said he might be sick and the owners are trying to care for him. You never know someone eldest circumstances.
     
    11-11-2011, 11:35 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by iridehorses    
First let me say that I live in rural upstate SC and take offense to the blanket statement about the care we give our animals.

With that out of the way, I'll ask you if you have gone to the owners of the horse and asked about him - in a polite way? If you haven't, then you have some nerve asking how you can basically steal a horse to get it the care that you think it needs.

Lastly, regardless of your good intentions, you stole a dog. You vetted it and then ultimately stole the dog.

Frankly, even though your intentions may be good, you should be reported to the authorities for your actions. You are over your head and coming on the forum asking for people to help you in your misguided efforts, is wrong.

There are proper channels to go through - stealing is not one of them.

Lastly, it is not winter. We may be in a cold snap and the temp gets into the 30's at night but it's in the 60's during the day.

As for the dog, we CALLED the owner SEVERAL times to come pick him up and take him to the vet. He did NOT show up for the first 2 days after calls, all the while letting us personally do our own vet care for the dog, on the 3rd day, we had no choice but to take him to our vet he was so badly injured beyond our care. Then after a WEEK of having the dog AFTER vetting him (total of 10 days), which, if left untreated would have DIED, he demanded his dog back. I'm sorry, that's just WRONG. If someone calls you to pick up your sick and hurt animal, and you do NOTHING, you forfiet the right to take the high road. I'm not sorry about it at all. We saved that dog's life, and the owner did not care until we fixed the problem. He took no responsibility to come and get the dog from OUR house, and just left it there for us to care for an entire week after we called about 10 times!!! The dog ran back to us after we gave it back. I'm not going to play the "care for my dog for days and days and when I want it I'll get it" game, so I took it to a shelter. He only came and asked about the dog 5 days after I got it to the shelter! Responsible owner? I even called AC about it, and the same "We'll look into it" response. Should I have just chased the poor creature off our property for it to find someone else or get hit by a car or mauled by more dogs? Really??? You would have just let the dog languish and die? Huh.

As for the horse, I never meant I was going to steal it! I was wondering how to get the AUTHORITIES to take it to a horse shelter. I'm not a thief, despite what you think about the dog situation. And, yes, I left the people a letter in their mailbox with my number if they were interested in finding the horse a home and left my cell number. It was a NICE letter, too. After that, I called AC. So far, nothing. And he is in a bad way. No run in shed, no round bale. Really? I guess you think that's OK for a skin and bones horse? It is COLD at night. No run in shed, no blanket. Really?

And so far, the care to animals that I've seen here sucks. And I moved here from ANOTHER RURAL, no city, no suburban area, and the care was generally good. But it was ONLY my opinion, but based on my observations, how could I think any different?? We've already had another stray dog come, this time with no tag and it was malnourished, injured, and unaltered too, and then several stray cats with fleas, ticks and unaltered. Oh, and a horse that's basically on death's door. Hard not to feel a little upset about it.
     
    11-11-2011, 11:52 AM
  #8
Trained
Siiiiigh. You need to go find a hobby and keep yourself to yourself and out of other people's business. Yes, that old horse may be starving and dying and you've reported it to ACO, you've done what's to be done. And he may be terminally OLD, with Cushings or some metabolic disorder and no matter what or how much is fed cannot digest properly and thus the results you see. You don't KNOW and you obviously don't care to slow your high speed wobble down enough to LEARN. You've left your note, they didn't respond. Leave it.

In my neck of the woods the horse is PROPERTY to be dealt with as I see fit. I feed mine, but the law only requires me to have feed available, not actually feed it. You are probably running up against something like that in your state. If ACO goes out and the owner has hay and/or grain on the property and water on the property (not necessarily even where they horse can get it), their hands may be tied until and unless they see a dead animal in a pasture.

Is it right? NO Can I do anything to change it? NO, not here anyhow. Legally you can lobby for better laws statewide, but that's about the size of it.
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    11-11-2011, 11:55 AM
  #9
Banned
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2SCHorses    

As for the horse, I never meant I was going to steal it! I was wondering how to get the AUTHORITIES to take it to a horse shelter. I'm not a thief, despite what you think about the dog situation. And, yes, I left the people a letter in their mailbox with my number if they were interested in finding the horse a home and left my cell number. It was a NICE letter, too. After that, I called AC. So far, nothing. And he is in a bad way. No run in shed, no round bale. Really? I guess you think that's OK for a skin and bones horse? It is COLD at night. No run in shed, no blanket. Really?

And so far, the care to animals that I've seen here sucks. And I moved here from ANOTHER RURAL, no city, no suburban area, and the care was generally good. But it was ONLY my opinion, but based on my observations, how could I think any different?? We've already had another stray dog come, this time with no tag and it was malnourished, injured, and unaltered too, and then several stray cats with fleas, ticks and unaltered. Oh, and a horse that's basically on death's door. Hard not to feel a little upset about it.

I mean this in a nice way, but you stated that he had lots of grass, but wasn't eating it? I live in NC, and the weather here is still good for grazing (my mare does.), maybe this horse is a rescue and he ate all the grass he wanted for now and was taking a break. Indie does that, she'll just doze off in pasture after eating for a good eight hours straight

As for no run in, well I don't have one either. Does he have trees? That's all I've used for three years and never had a problem. While I personally would have blanketed him, that isn't my call. As long as he has grass I wouldn't be upset.

My neighbors have a horse, a old grey that is a Bones as well, and often there isn't a hay bale out there but grass. He gets skinny in the winter time, but every spring he is plumped back up and his coat is obviously groomed so I don't stick my nose to it.

I *think* you should probably just let it go... there are lots of other horses out there that don't even have what mister Bones does, if you feel the need you could reach out to them or volunteer at that horse shelter.

But like someone said... maybe he is very very sick and they can't do anything but try to keep him comfortable until he passes, you don't know the situation of the horse personally, and I'd be very upset if he were under my care and someone was trying to take him away during his last weeks.
     
    11-11-2011, 12:00 PM
  #10
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2SCHorses    
Oh, and a horse that's basically on death's door. Hard not to feel a little upset about it.
If the horse is 'surrounded' by grass as you say - it is likely elderly and has metabolic issues.

TALK to the owner of the horse.
     

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