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    12-10-2012, 11:08 PM
  #1
Banned
Ever seen this.....navacular????

Hey there!
Wasn't sure if I should put this in hoof care.....but I'm not sure if it's a hoof issue.....yet...

So here's the pertinent info (please ask for more if you need)

8 year old gelding
Cutting/cowhorse bred and trained, fantastic work ethic, very good animal.
Has been stalled, on dirt base, shavings on top
Is currently on a 'spell'
Lightly exercised in the indoor arena everyday, minimal turnout due to weather and pen conditions (sheet ice + shoes.....)
Shod just on front hooves
Shoes removed 3 weeks ago
Horse walks out of stall yesterday and is so sore on his front feet he has them tucked under the front (similar to navacular stance)
Wobbles his way down the lane way to arena and is terribly foot sore....
This horse has had a history of going sore in front without shoes....but it's never taken three weeks and never been this dramatic, horse has had shoes on for sometime because of this issue...

Why would it take three weeks for this horse to show any foot soreness after shoes being removed?
Can anyone relay a similar circumstance to this?
Would navacular present this way???
     
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    12-10-2012, 11:25 PM
  #2
Foal
Not really an expert on it, but did some reading up on it when my mare had some soundness issues.
Basically the info I got from vets/farrier/articles was that 'navicular' is a very generic term for a lot of problems stemming from issues with the navicular bone or tendons around it.
A horse that has been shod and then has shoes removed will likely be tender no matter what. The sole has to toughen up and the frog has to build up. It will be a sore process. Maybe you can look into investing in some hoof boots to provide him with some relief while exercising?
Talk to your vet and farrier about the possibility of navicular. However, I was told that without x-rays it wouldn't be possible to actually pinpoint what was causing it, if it was navicular.
Personally a big fan of a properly trimmed barefoot horse.
DIGGING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT NAVI
This is a great article to read.
     
    12-10-2012, 11:32 PM
  #3
Banned
Thanks for that.....sorry I had a spelling issue! It's supposed to be navicular!!!!
     
    12-10-2012, 11:42 PM
  #4
Foal
No worries! This is the background to my research:
My mare was coming up super sore on occasion (while she was living with my parents in a different province so it was hard to know what was going on), had vets out twice to check her, and all they could say was "huh, might be navicular". The minute I mentioned it to my farrier he was all for fitting her out with eggbar shoes right away. Buuuuuuttttttt . . . I waited a little, got her trimmed up properly (because her toes were way too long). A couple weeks after getting her trimmed up, she was moving completely sound again. That all happened between 10 and 12 months ago. Now she lives with me, and has a new farrier who is trimming her regularly.
I did a ton of reading up on navicular, barefoot trimming, and hoof form/function.
The Peter Ramey site I came across had lots of great articles and was a good starting point. I especially like the articles on mustang hooves and the pictures of hoof cadavers. So informative.
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    12-10-2012, 11:45 PM
  #5
Banned
Yes, hoof cadavers.....my mom was talking to me a while back about how the Kaimanawa horses in NZ all got rounded up so they could do the annual cull, and hw beautiful they were etc etc....I failed to mention the freezer full of hooves attached to just pasterns in the University vet department where I studied many years ago....they were all labelled Kaimanawa!!!
     
    12-10-2012, 11:49 PM
  #6
Weanling
My mare pepper was this way before I purchased her. They put shoes on her front feet which helped a bit and made her rideable. When I had her PPE done, they yanked the shoes, did x rays and found navicular changes. AND her heels were contacted pretty badly (which the the vet affiliated farrier could see without x rays- but her regular barn farrier completely missed:/).

Obviously I went through with the purchase despite the navicular changes (they arent garanteed to cause trouble), and I started hauling her to see this farrier.

After about 6 months of wedge shoes to get the pressure off of her navicular bones, and help with uncontracting her heels, she was put into regular shoes...and now she is shoe free and doing well. She does have thin soles so I can't leave her barefoot and expect to ride her over super rough stuff, but its a ton better than it was.

In my mares case, it was the farrier..who I thought was good until the PPE.
Anyway I would be getting the vet to investigate.. maybefull blown navicular, may not be.
     
    12-11-2012, 01:25 AM
  #7
Yearling
Hoof board issue most likely.

Lets see pictures of her feet. Sounds like she has some crappy feet with flat thin soles and is sore because she had her protection removed. Id be more worried I was receiving a poor trim above the shoes I was getting if she can't become sound after having them off for three weeks. Or she may have some deep sulcus thrush or other various issues. Can't tell anything without pictures.\

I do not believe this is in any way navicular due to the way it presented. I believe its more than likely thin soles that are possibly bruised now. Durasole is what I would apply. Heat the foot with a hairdryer for a minute and dry it out and then apply to the warm foot. It will suck it up and ease the soreness. Works great.

ETA Sorry just realized you said gelding...He! Not she :)
     
    12-11-2012, 02:31 AM
  #8
Weanling
I have a white hoofed quarter horse.and he has the really soft white hoofs. And I have struggled the last two years with his fronts too. Finally got him going pretty good with shoeing with pads on under the shoe but a few weeks ago I pulled his shoes..and I thought I would have to put them on him again just to get him to the hay. But after a few days I noticed him going better and better.and now is running around..think he got so use to having shoes on.that the pressure on his sole was making himthink he was hurting. His hoof looks good. And I think some of his problem is between his ears.he is use to having pain in his fronts. So he acts like it. Good luck great topic..happy holidays and ride safe everyone...
     
    12-11-2012, 02:32 AM
  #9
Weanling
If there is no heat or swelling in his ankle or legs.. pasturn.he is probably ok..
     
    12-11-2012, 05:57 PM
  #10
Trained
Yes, sometimes pulling a horse's shoes causes them to be instantly 'tender' & others it takes a while to come on. When horse's feet are very compromised, shoes can indeed alleviate the pain of the problems, but they can't fix it, so removing the palliative allows the symptoms to resurface. Perhaps he's so much worse this time because the problem has progressed a lot more since he was last out of shoes? It sounds like it's time to start addressing the problem.
     

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