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    03-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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Excessive urination?

I have a lovely new Belgian, I love him to pieces. But he pees SO much! He drinks about 6 water buckets a day (5 gallons each) on top of 3 buckets of soaked hay cubes.
When he came I'm fairly certain he was pretty dehydrated on top of everything else wrong with him. So I expected a week or so of him trying to balance out - but how long does it really take for horses to balance their fluids? I've been giving him salt in his cubes because he's never had any before (at least in the last 10 years) so he never had salt outside of his grain or what he licked off walls or anything else. So I didn't want to make him sick with too much at once.

My vet thinks he's got Cushings - because of the urination, so I started him on a well-proven herbal blend.
It's been 3 weeks now and he still drinks and urinates A LOT. It's to the point where I am stripping his stall and replacing the bedding entirely every day, I clean it twice a day. Once before bed, but by morning his stall is so soaked he's covered in it. I use wood pellet bedding that fluff with moisture, but it just gets so drenched so fast the pellets don't have time to fluff. The shavings just don't work to absorb it all.

Does anyone know what I should do in this situation? I feel terrible because he has awful thrush and scratches, I'm sure as a result of his soaked stall over the past years. Does he just need more time?
     
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    03-08-2013, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
I have a lovely new Belgian, I love him to pieces. But he pees SO much! He drinks about 6 water buckets a day (5 gallons each) on top of 3 buckets of soaked hay cubes.
When he came I'm fairly certain he was pretty dehydrated on top of everything else wrong with him. So I expected a week or so of him trying to balance out - but how long does it really take for horses to balance their fluids? I've been giving him salt in his cubes because he's never had any before (at least in the last 10 years) so he never had salt outside of his grain or what he licked off walls or anything else. So I didn't want to make him sick with too much at once.

My vet thinks he's got Cushings - because of the urination, so I started him on a well-proven herbal blend.
It's been 3 weeks now and he still drinks and urinates A LOT. It's to the point where I am stripping his stall and replacing the bedding entirely every day, I clean it twice a day. Once before bed, but by morning his stall is so soaked he's covered in it. I use wood pellet bedding that fluff with moisture, but it just gets so drenched so fast the pellets don't have time to fluff. The shavings just don't work to absorb it all.

Does anyone know what I should do in this situation? I feel terrible because he has awful thrush and scratches, I'm sure as a result of his soaked stall over the past years. Does he just need more time?
Put him outside on a large pasture if possible but if not, then at least in a large corral and I'd put sand and gravel down to help with drainage. He'll be much healthier if he can get away from the wet and the ammonia fumes from the urine.
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    03-08-2013, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
Put him outside on a large pasture if possible but if not, then at least in a large corral and I'd put sand and gravel down to help with drainage. He'll be much healthier if he can get away from the wet and the ammonia fumes from the urine.
I wish I could, it just snowed a foot and a half of snow. He also refuses to pee out side - he kicks the gate until I bring him in, then pees and wants to go back out. If I chase him away from the gate to make him stay out (if I'm not done with stalls) he'll just run around until I bring him in.
     
    03-08-2013, 02:54 PM
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Give him a " toilet" outside. I use old hay, or bedding. Just a patch big enough so he doesn't need too good of an aim. He'll learn how to use it.
I would also start putting up either lose salt or a salt block on top of what you give him in the feed, to see if he uses it or not. If not, you can leave the salt out of the feed and let him take care of it himself. That should help already.
     
    03-08-2013, 02:58 PM
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Desert - that's an interesting idea about outside - his paddock is a large pasture, but knee deep in snow right now. How would I encourage him to use his 'toilet'?
If I put his salt block out in front of his stall he'll leave his food and rush it and lick it until I take it away. I think he'd eat through all of it if I just let him at it.
     
    03-08-2013, 03:13 PM
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Prepare it and put it down when he wants to come in to pee.
For his salt need....have you tried electrolytes instead of salt? Maybe he's lacking more than just salt? Other minerals related to his water need...
     
    03-08-2013, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PunksTank    
I wish I could, it just snowed a foot and a half of snow. He also refuses to pee out side - he kicks the gate until I bring him in, then pees and wants to go back out. If I chase him away from the gate to make him stay out (if I'm not done with stalls) he'll just run around until I bring him in.
I don't know where you're located, but once it's nice enough to put him out, put him out and leave him out. He'll pee outside if there's no other alternative. I have mares, more than the geldings or stallions, who will try to save it until dinner time and they can come in to the barn. Then as I'm serving, all you can hear is pee splashing. I occasionally frustrate them because I'll feed out on pasture when it's nice, then they have to pee outside.

Does he have feathers on his fetlocks? I don't remember if Belgians do or not. If he does, you need to clip the area from his coronet band up to the fetlock down fairly close, then you can wash and treat the scratches with an antifungal. Once he's all cleared up, you can wash the area daily and treat it with Desitin or another diaper rash ointment. If you're not going to show him, I'd keep him clipped fairly close year round, to keep the water from staying on his legs.
     
    03-08-2013, 03:22 PM
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Desert - I haven't thought of electrolytes!! I'll try that thanks

Dream- I'll try that when they can actually go out. I've been treating his feathers with M-T-G and it seems to be working very well, I'm trying not to resort to clipping, but if the M-T-G doesn't do the job I'll do it. Thank you :)
     
    03-08-2013, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by punkstank    
my vet thinks he's got cushings if your vet thinks that, did you have him draw two viles of blood to check insulin level and cortisol level??

- because of the urination, so I started him on a well-proven herbal blend.which one? If it's something over-the-counter that you, yourself, can buy, it's most likely not going to do your horse a bit of good.

a prescription herbal blend might work - might - but I wouldn't hold my breath if he has cushings. Generally the only thing that helps a cushings horse is pergolide or the new version of pergolide, called prascend.

tests really need to be done him to know exactly what you're dealing with. Your horse could even have something else wrong that doesn't even resemble cushings but is causing him to drink huge amounts of water.


It's been 3 weeks now and he still drinks and urinates a lot. It's to the point where I am stripping his stall and replacing the bedding entirely every day, I clean it twice a day. Once before bed, but by morning his stall is so soaked he's covered in it. I use wood pellet bedding that fluff with moisture, but it just gets so drenched so fast the pellets don't have time to fluff. The shavings just don't work to absorb it all.

Does anyone know what I should do in this situation? I feel terrible because he has awful thrush and scratches, i'm sure as a result of his soaked stall over the past years. Does he just need more time?
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    03-08-2013, 08:52 PM
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Walkinthewalk - no we didn't test him, my vet thinks it's Cushing's because of a number of other symptoms including muscle loss in the hind end and fat deposits along his neck. He was also on a very inappropriate diet.
The herbal blend is something I've known for a fact to work on a number of horses I personally work with, and one my vet recommends highly: this is the one
My vet said to start him on that and see if it helps - but she saw him the second day I had him and we attributed his excessive drinking to not having had enough at his previous home.
I'll call her in the morning though to see what she thinks, I just wasn't sure if this was something other people have encountered or if anyone knew how long it takes their system to balance out from prolonged dehydration.
     

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