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post #11 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 03:51 PM
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I'm just curious..But what's different between cutting a bull and a horse? Are they not both livestock?
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post #12 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 03:52 PM
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When they make a young bull into a steer, they band him. Nobody ever 'gelds' a bull calf. You can't use banding with horses.
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post #13 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 03:59 PM
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What a horrific thread, so sad, I hear people die under anaesthesia as well, but doesn't stop me choosing to get knocked out for procedures!
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post #14 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 04:09 PM
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SR, so bulls are already dropped, but horses aren't? O.o
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It's not that Iseul, it's that their physiognomy is different in the way the testicles are attached to the body. If you try to band a horse, you'll kill him. With goats, sheep, pigs, and cattle, they're banded and the testicles just dry up and fall off. With a horse, you'll get hemorrhaging and gangrene.
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My parents have roughly 180 cows that calve out every year, starting in about the end of March. Every year during Memorial Day weekend at the end of May, we give all the calves their shots and band all the "bulls" turning them into steers. We use a chute that will tip on its side, and the bars will open up so we can get in there to band them (safe for us, and safe for the calf). They are in the chute for a minute or two, and then they are off back to mamma.

Different anatomy! Different procedure. You don't CUT OPEN anything when you turn a bull calf into a steer. And you do it when they are much younger. You can actually rubber a bull calf the day it is born. You actually don't want to wait too long (months-wise) because the testicles are too large to fit the rubber around and you risk complications. Again, totally different than a horse.
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post #17 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 06:47 PM
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I'm just going to say that when you inflict that sort of pain on a horse (or anything else it will put it into extreme stress and its blood pressure will rocket
Horses bleed when they are castrated and increase in blood pressure will also increase blood loss
This sort of practice is illegal in the UK due to the many horses that died of shock, infection, accidental injuries, incorrectly carried out procedures which resulted in 'rigs' and loss of blood.
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post #18 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 07:10 PM
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Along with the medical risk, it's likely you're going to be wasting you're time because the colt can end up proud cut. Which I basically a stud who can't do what a stud is meant to do.
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post #19 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 08:26 PM
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OP, you may be dealing with the Ol' Boy network where you live, where everybody does it because everybody does it. That can be hard to fight but not impossible if you are determined.
Why not at least call the area vets & ask them of the risks using them vs using the guys? Chances are they already know about the guys because I'm sure they've been called in to fix messes.
If something goes wrong it goes wrong quickly & only a vet can help you then.

Modern drugs are much safer than even a few years ago & most have reversal agents that can be used if a problem arises.
All that aside think of the mental trauma to your baby. We try to never harm them & to instill trust. Throwing them down & mutilating them while they feel every single thing, well, I can even imagine doing that.

I really hope you reconsider your decision to not use a vet.
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post #20 of 24 Old 08-13-2013, 11:59 PM
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It is possible to geld a horse without general anesthesia. But to do it properly a local block has to be injected into the scrotum of the horse, so they do not feel the incision. In order to do this heavy sedation with a tranquilizer such as Xylazine or Dormosedan is normally used. I wouldn't even attempt putting a needle in a horses scrotum without. I value my head to much. If this is not the protocol these people use, then I would not let them touch my horse.
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