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    12-26-2012, 11:47 AM
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Fecals, why do them?

There's been a lot of conversation on a few forums as to why or why not fecals should be done.

The vet just called me with the fecal results on my four horses, so I am listing WHY one should get them done, setting aside the fact that worms are becoming resistant to wormers:

1. Three of my four horses do NOT need wormed.

2. Naturally the one that needs wormed is my biggest concern. A concern because he is 25 with Equine Metabolic Syndrome, hind gut ulcers, suspected hanging lipomas in the GI tract and he colics a lot, since last March

While he isn't "loaded", his count is high enough the vet said to wait a few weeks until our weather stops having such wide swings.

I am to worm him with Ivermectin at the vet's instructions.

3. Regarding the three that do not need wormed:

3.1 Two of them were last wormed in May with a double-dose of Ivermectin to get rid of Neck Threadworms (there's a couple current threads regarding those:( Before that, they were wormed November, 2011 with Zimectrin Gold.

3.1.1 Horse Number 3 was last wormed November, 2011 with Zimectrin Gold. He never got wormed last Spring for anything because he was on daily aspirin for severely strained ligaments. He also did not have any signs of NTW's. Why poison him?

So the benefit of fecals? (which were all free this go-round):

1. From a mercenary point-of-view, look at the money I saved.

2. From an ethical/health point-of-view, look at the poison I do not needlessly have to put into my horses.

Not having worm issues (and minor ones where there is an issue) is the best news I've had for months. It's something I always took for ho-hum granted but lately, it's something to crow about in my horse-barn-now-turned-equine-skilled-nursing-facility

I know some vets are just stupid about not wanting to do fecals and charge a ridiculous amount of money. It might be best for those horse owners to invest in a lab kit, including microsope, and do your own
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    12-26-2012, 12:13 PM
I'm a strong believer in cleanliness.
Having a closed herd, its the easiest on keeping them worm-free.
That means stalls are being cleaned thoroughly, I use straw, so the good, old straw is being tossed where they pee and new straw goes on the edges, where they also nibble from, every day. Paddocks are cleaned twice daily, pastures at least every two days so it doesn't become too much to haul.
I worm once a year, Equimax, to get tapes and bots, that's it. Fecals prove me right

Drug companies, I'm sure, don't like my point if view, they'd rather have me worm every 6 weeks, lol
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    12-26-2012, 01:06 PM
If I introduce a new horse, worms become a "concern" for me. I currently can't isolate. At that point (new horse) I want a fecal count, and I will worm every 8 weeks in an attempt to break the life cycles. Once I reach "negative", I agree...there is no point it adding poison at any higher rate than is necessary to achieve/maintain health.

They (scientific community) seem to frequently change thier mind on what is the most effective, or even what threats exist, pasture management, etc.,. But the one thing that will never change is what common sense tells anyone, such as limiting exposure will reduce the risk. Like ^^^ said, managing the enviroment is king (cleanliness and/or pasture management).

Now, they are studying the inter-relations of worms...and have determined some are beneficial (eat other worms/eggs). It goes on and on...so double yeah, I agree...worm them as little as is required.
    12-26-2012, 03:46 PM
I will be doing them! And only give worming when necessary. No need to load them up on stuff they don't need.

It's my personal opinion we bring a lot of horses ill-health on ourselves. Our intentions are good of course but the end results often are not.
    12-26-2012, 04:18 PM
We have tapeworms here in high prevalence due to a large deer population so I just deworm twice a year with Quest Plus anyway. A fecal wont show tapes as well as encysted strongyles which also seem to be common around here considering the change in condition of many horses once I hit them with Quest Plus after being on a predominately Ivermectin based deworming plan.
    12-26-2012, 04:56 PM
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In the 6 years that we've had horses, we only have had a fecal count done once. That was with our colt just recently. He had to go in because he was having issues with his back legs. He also had a large belly. We weren't sure if he just had a hay belly or was full of worms. He came back clean.

Our herd doesn't get mixed up often. Any time a new horse is introduced, they all get wormed. Other than that we might worm them twice a year.
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    12-26-2012, 05:22 PM
Great post !!

I honestly do not worry about new horses at all. Pretty much they can either control their parasite load or they can't, so new horses don't matter all the much imo.
    12-26-2012, 06:19 PM
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If a new horse, I don't mean a foal that is just born but one that is transfered in, is already full of worms, it could pass those to the others. That's why we always worm the new and the rest.
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    12-26-2012, 06:47 PM
In case of a new horse I'd quarantine it and worm it. No need to worm everybody that way
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    12-27-2012, 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by gypsygirl    
great post !!

I honestly do not worry about new horses at all. Pretty much they can either control their parasite load or they can't, so new horses don't matter all the much imo.
This might be true if there were no anthelmintics, different environments, or modern transportation systems. I isolate when I can and worm a new member, but like I said ^ I currently cannot (not effectively). While I make every effort to reduce the amount of wormer I administer to what is necessary, the risks associated w transmition is greater than that which is represented by a given wormer, IMO.

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