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    01-21-2010, 02:00 PM
  #21
Yearling
I'm not exactly taking it as an attack on me, I'm trying to get the point across that if the horses are fine on the feed they have there is no reason to change it, and I'll say it for any feed, not just sweet feed. I UNDERSTAND the reading and the points being made, I'm not an idiot. I'm expressing my point of view, and my reasons for saying and doing the things I do. Yes, there are cases of stuff like that happening, but it can and does happen with other feeds too, not just sweet feed. Rain rot is a fungus, as is thrush. Feeding a sweet feed isn't going to cause it. Maybe exascerbate it if the horse has it, but not cause it. I may be young but I'm not an idiot. I have a lot to learn, and so does everbody else.
     
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    01-21-2010, 03:43 PM
  #22
Trained
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wild spot I totally see where you are comming from and of course it wouldn't hurt to try it. Whats the brand of grain/feed do you feed and i'll have my parents look into it and the price and see if we have a place here that sells any.
There are tons of different feeds you can try if you want :] I personally chose to stay way from grain as well, because it was adding to the tying up problem, but steam extruded and micronized grains are good, just on their own with a good vit/min supplement. I.e. Extruded Barley, Extruded corn, Extruded Lupins, Micronized Barley, Micronized Lupins, etc.

If your horses don't need much feed, then maybe give an all hay diet a go? Just free choice grass/meadow hay with a vit/min lick in the paddock. That is all mine are getting (But pasture instead of hay) and they compete pretty heavily this time of year.

If you want a more complete feed, then there are plenty out there. Different countries sell different products so the products I name might not be sold there - It might be a case of going to your feed store, checking out the lables and finding one in your budget. I'm looking into Rice Bran/Rice Bran Oil based feeds at the moment - A safe feed that supplies plenty of fat and energy. I'm looking at Mitavite Cool Performer (a more complete feed - Lots of vit/min) and Mitavite Power-On (more of a feed additive for extra energy, not as many vit/min). If you just want to add some energy and fat without much feed, oils are a great way to do it. Rice Bran Oil, or even a good quality Canola oil can provide fat and energy in a more digestable way.

Then you can make up your feed out of seperate components - At the moment I feed Speedi-Beet (Beet pulp) which is classified as forage, but as high in energy as alfalfa hay without the sugars (Important for my guy who ties up - I don't feedhim lucerne anymore). For extra energy I use Copra - A coconut meal similar to Rice Bran - High in coconut oils.

As long as your horses are getting adequate forage, and a good vit/min supplement/block, they shouldn't be deficient in too much, so it becomes a case of just supplying any extra energy you need. I always find with feeding that 'Keep ti simple, stupid' is the best philosophy!

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wild spot if the feed you use is around the price of my regular food. The bartlett is 8.50 for a 50 # bag and then circle M is about 7.50 for a 50 pound bag. Then i'll definitely consider using it. My pastures arn't completly dry. BUT they are pretty darn close. The horses have eaten it down to the ground but they get a bale of hay a day and it works for them. So whatever works for them works for me!
Again, different countries so have no idea about price comparisons - However the sweet feed I was using costs about the same as a bag of Speedi-Beet or Copra, but the last two last about 3 times more (Both feeds can be soaked, and swell to between 2-5 times their original size, meaning you feed a lot less of it). A big feed for my boy is less than half a dipper of Speedi-Beet and 1/3 of a dipper of Copra - Makes a very big feed, it's great!

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but it can and does happen with other feeds too,
If you are feeding a low starch, low sugar, low NSC naturally modelled diet, then those issues will NOT happen BECAUSE of the feed - They may happen due to other factors.

I'm not trying to force you to change your way of doing things - I am just saying that my way of thinking is that why would I feed something that can cause harm, when there are options out there that won't?
     
    01-21-2010, 04:00 PM
  #23
Green Broke
I had a guy come up to me today and say something about the canola oil as well. But to add like a 4th of a cup to there feed but definitely not more than a cup EVER. They only get 1 square bale of a hay a day to eat and pig out on. They are low on grass right now as they have eaten it all down and it's winter of course grass likes to crawl back in the ground a hide around here lol we always provide a mineral, sulfur, and sometimes a salt block for them at ALL times no matter what. I think they could do good on an all forage diet except for the fact that they know when it's feeding time and they couldn't stand a day of missing their grain. I'll look into some of the stuff and see what I can dig up. Or I can ask my local feed store for something high in fiber but low in starch and sugars and see what they show me.
     
    01-21-2010, 04:03 PM
  #24
Trained
^ Yup, you don't want to add too much oil or it muddles up their insides :]

That sounds great - You don't have to go with any particular product, but if you can find something low starch and low sugar in your price range that your horses like, then that's great :]

A good choice if cheap enough would be micronized lupins - They have little or no starch, and are similar to grains, so your horses would probably like them :]
     
    01-21-2010, 04:53 PM
  #25
Green Broke
Alright i'll begin my quest for making my horses healthier and see how well I come up with! It'll definitely take some major looking into in all of the feed stores nearby but hopefully I come up with some reasonably priced stuff
     
    01-21-2010, 07:23 PM
  #26
Trained
There is so, so much information out there - if you want to learn, you'll never stop! I've been researching for about 3 days now for a new feed for my boy and am still no closer to a solution, lol!
     
    01-21-2010, 11:59 PM
  #27
Yearling
Ya know I eat nothing but processed foods... probably the worst diet possible. I'm still a decent equine athlete :oP

Sorry the feed threads are always so tense! I just have laugh at them now...
     
    01-22-2010, 03:33 PM
  #28
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by kassierae    
I'm not exactly taking it as an attack on me, I'm trying to get the point across that if the horses are fine on the feed they have there is no reason to change it, and I'll say it for any feed, not just sweet feed.
You made that point in your first post. There's no need to argue. The OP wanted opinions. I gave mine, you gave yours, and others gave theirs. There is no need to argue or keep harping. You're acting as though you are taking it personal. You don't need to argue back every time someone posts something that disagrees with you...
     

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