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    12-14-2012, 12:08 PM
Feed. Enough?

OK so I've had horses for pretty much my whole life and Magic's not my first TB but she IS my first YOUNG TB so I'm not quite sure.

She has been doing well but with the grass dying off for summer she dropped weight... I got her back up to good weight then she injured herself and dropped weight again.

She's UTD on vax/worming/sand clear, has a very sensitive gut and can't handle too much grain-based feed. Coat is magnificent, short soft and shiny, but a bit bleached/sun damaged on her topline already [that's magnesium deficiency, we do normally suppliment it... I will pick some more mag supp up when I visit the feed store tomorrow].

I've just started keeping cottons on them - they have a few hours a day nekkid but that's usually early morning/late afternoon when the sun's not so harsh. So hopefully their coats will come good soon.

Monty looks awesome and is still picking up, soon I'm going to have to restrict his access to the hay!

Magic, however, looks like this [apologies for the size, and my messy shed!]:

I don't like seeing ribs in photos of my horses. If you can see ribs in PHOTOS... horses always look in healthier condition in photos, less fat or less skinny.

So I thought I'd ask.

She gets presently;
Free choice high quality oat hay [the hay of choice here especially for hard keepers]
Oat chaff x2 scoops, approx 300g/scoop [to bind her feed, as she has free access to oat hay so doesn't need bulk chaff]
1/2 flake alfalfa hay/day [to suppliment her protein and calcium, and darken her coat; cheaper than feeding alfalfa chaff]
600g-ish AV Total grower and weaner pellets [she can't have too much grain-based feed and G&W is almost entirely grain-based]
Unsure of the weight but 3L dry volume of flaked feed lupins, soaked
Vitamin/mineral suppliment
Extra magnesium suppliment
Black Oil Sunflower Seeds
Flaxseed oil, unsure of amount
1x 5g sachet Bute [for her injured leg]

All this once a day. Total feed volume is around 20L [the bucket is 25 or 30L] plus hay volume/weight, total feed weight is heavy!

I can up anything except the grower&weaner, just let me mention that the lupin ration she gets is FOUR TIMES the lupin ration of any of the horses at work and one of those is a very hard keeper in full work! I'm feeding very high legume rations and not much grain rations because she is a sensitive little flower in her tummy, and I battled for 2 or 3 months to get the PH under control with a special, very expensive pellet. She shows no signs of ulcers other than the hard to keep thing, but that could easily be a young injured growing TB thing.

This is a new ration, just recently increased because she wasn't gaining weight. I just wanted thoughts.

The weights I'm not sure of, I can check up on tomorrow. 1kg=2.2lb roughly.
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    12-14-2012, 12:30 PM
If you've just started this feed regiment, I'd give it about 6 weeks to see if it really makes a difference. Do you have a weight tape or can you have her weighed now so you can recheck in 6 weeks?

The only thing I might do right now would be to add a good probiotic, it just seems to help them use their feed more efficiently. I'm in the US so don't know what you have available to you in Australia.
    12-14-2012, 12:50 PM
I hadn't thought of probios, thanks! The vet did give her antibiotic injections when she hurt herself and I didn't even think of what that would do to her gut flora. And the bute won't be helping. Will pick some up tomorrow. Our feed guy has everything I swear!

She is a bit of a funny eater - not picky as such but suspicious - she doesn't like to try new things. Better since she connected feed bucket with feed though. I don't have to put a palatant in her feed even with the bute in there... I consider that a blessing, HATE having to give molasses. She'll still eat it if it's yucky. She just doesn't like trying new things.

I do have a weight tape and I don't have a clue what she weighs. I taped her not long after I got her, for worming dosage, but she's grown since then.
    12-14-2012, 01:41 PM
I would tape her today and write it down. Then just keep feeding her for the next 6 weeks and then re-tape her and see if she's gotten anywhere. If not then you can adjust, but if she's gaining to your satisfaction, I'd leave it alone.
    12-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Lol it's 2am... I don't think going out there with torch, halter and weight tape would go down well with the motherperson, or the neighbours, or miss Magic herself. But I'll definitely tape her tomorrow.
    12-14-2012, 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
lol it's 2am... I don't think going out there with torch, halter and weight tape would go down well with the motherperson, or the neighbours, or miss Magic herself. But I'll definitely tape her tomorrow.
LOL! OOOPS!!! I forgot how far away you are. Well, the next time "today" occurs for you
    12-14-2012, 05:52 PM
Lol, definitely!

Thinking I'll do the tubed probios just because she's really easy to worm and based on a previous horse's reaction to probiotics they don't taste bad. Not like wormers. You can get them as a feed additive but with a suspicious eater who is suddenly becoming boss biatch of the pasture I may well find she just pinches Monty's feed instead of having her own! I normally separate them but if I get home late from work there isn't always time.

Why do I always run out of everything all at once?! Hahaha I need more vit/min supps, more mag supp, more chaff, more grower and weaner pellets... the list goes on. AND somebody's decided a cob sized head really is too small for a 16hh+ Thoroughbred, so she needs a new bridle, AND I really need a few new lead ropes. Not that I'm complaining. Buying stuff for my horses is fun... and the tack store guy is cute.. ahahaha
    12-14-2012, 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
lol, definitely!

and the tack store guy is cute.. ahahaha

And that right there should be good for several extra, ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED, trips each month.

I just toss my Probiotics in with their feed and they snarf 'em up, but my horses are exceptionally feed oriented too. Not a suspicious one among 'em. Guess that's lucky, I never even think twice about tossing stuff in their feed. Spoiled, I am.
    12-15-2012, 01:25 AM
Totally! Haha omg he totally tried to ask me out today! **** if I wasn't working this weekend... Hahahaha half my luck.

I totally forgot the probio so I have to go back in sometime soon.

Someone meanwhile has decided she doesn't want to eat quite that much in one hit. Methinks I need to split her ration into two feeds daily.
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    12-15-2012, 01:19 PM
Yeah, they like smaller meals more frequently rather than one big meal.

HAH!! Sounds like you're on the right track.......another visit just oughta work .........LOL!

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