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    12-08-2008, 09:47 AM
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Yearling
Feeding a large amount is it okay?

I just moved Poco down from Virginia and back into South Carolina. When I got him down here he looked horrible! He's already gained 150 pounds back and is looking much better, however. I have a big concern on what I am feeding him. I feel like it may be too much. This is what he gets:

-2.5 cups alfalfa pellets
-2.5 cups beet pulp
-1 scoop (equals 3 pounds) of Purina Mills Ultium

After the alfalfa pellets and beet pulp are done soaking I add the grain and everything measure out to be about 6 quarts of food. I soak the alfalfa pellets and beet pulp in warm water (8 cups of water to be exact). He gets this in the morning and at night. I tried cutting him back a little because I thought it was too much but in just two days you could tell that he was starting to lack a little bit. Im just curious to see what everyone else feed and how much.
     
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    12-08-2008, 10:47 AM
  #2
Trained
I feed lots of good quality hay. My growing 5 year old gets about a 1/2 of a bale a day. And then we supplement with a nutritionally balanced ration, and that's it!
For weight gain, the beet pulp is great, but also consider adding rice bran and a mineral/vitamin supplement. If at all possible, decrease how much of the soaked alfalfa cubes you are feeding and start giving a lot more hay.
     
    12-08-2008, 11:34 AM
  #3
Green Broke
You do NOT need a vit/min supplement if you're feeding any kind of fortified feed, at the recommended levels.

3lbs of Ultium isn't enough. He's not getting the full spectrum and vitamins and minerals, so you're wasting your money. You need to either feed the recommended amount of Ultium (about 7lbs for a horse in moderate work) or stop feeding it and switch to Purina Enrich 32. Nature’s Essentials® Enrich™ 32 Supplement

Feed just 2 lbs of the Enrich, increase your beet pulp to 3 lbs dry weight, increase your alfalfa to 3 lbs dry weight, and add 1 lb of stabilized rice bran for added fat. Once he's at a good weight, slowly reduce beet pulp and rice bran. Cut it in half every 2 weeks until he holds a nice weight for you.

Alternately, you can feed just the beet pulp, alfalfa, and rice bran along with a vitamin supplement for horses not on fortified grain. My hard keeper (and TOO easy of a keeper) does better on that then on any grains/pelleted feeds. I'm using Uckele's Equi-Base Grass right now, and I have used Smart Pak's Smart Vite Maintenance Grass with good success. Just mix the supplement in with your soaked beet pulp and alfalfa. The Uckele supplement has high levels probiotics and Omega 3's in it. Both have higher values of nutrients than the Enrish 32.

Uckele: http://www.uckele.com/equine/ezecomm...&productid=546
Smart Pak: http://www.smartpakequine.com/produc...ctClassid=4579

Now, my horses keep a health weight on just hay, a little alfalfa, a little oats (just for fun), and their vitamins. You should be feeding as much GOOD quality grass or timothy hay as he will eat.
     
    12-08-2008, 11:44 AM
  #4
Trained
I agree with feeding more good quality hay. Either offer it free-choice or in multiple (at least two) feedings a day.
     
    12-08-2008, 01:33 PM
  #5
Green Broke
If it were me, I would probably cut out the beet pulp and alfalfa, increase the ultium, and add lots of fresh grass hay.

In those small amounts, i'm not sure really how much the alfalfa and beet pulp are helping - I think he'd benefit a lot more from having lots of grass hay to chew
     
    12-08-2008, 02:37 PM
  #6
Yearling
Let me clear just a few things up. My horse eats one 40lb bale of hay a day! It is a timothy grass mix. He eats 6 pounds (total for the day) of Purina ultium which IS the recommended amount for him right now because he's doing little to no exercise. I will NOT switch to the Enriched feeds because I don't like the 32 percent protein that comes threw them alone. When he is going through heavy workouts his feed gets increased but right now he is at little to no exercise. He also gets blanketed. But he has plenty of good quality hay, never a minute of the day does he ever go without.
     
    12-08-2008, 02:39 PM
  #7
Yearling
Also, I use the alfalfa and beet pulp soaked because it helps to keep him drinking throughout the day.
     
    12-08-2008, 06:36 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
Let me clear just a few things up. My horse eats one 40lb bale of hay a day! It is a timothy grass mix. He eats 6 pounds (total for the day) of Purina ultium which IS the recommended amount for him right now because he's doing little to no exercise. I will NOT switch to the Enriched feeds because I don't like the 32 percent protein that comes threw them alone. When he is going through heavy workouts his feed gets increased but right now he is at little to no exercise. He also gets blanketed. But he has plenty of good quality hay, never a minute of the day does he ever go without.

Ok let's do the math here

If I remember right Ultima is 14% protien
So .14 lb of protien per lb of feed
.14X6 = .84 lbs of protien or 381g

Enrich32
32% or .32lb per lb
Only need MAX of 2lbs
So at the max .64 lbs of protien or 290g

Why do yuo have a problem with the protien?? Do you not understand that the PROTIEN is the building blocks for muscle
     
    12-08-2008, 10:28 PM
  #9
Yearling
Okay if you want to be exact. Ultium has 11.7% protien, 12.4% fat, and 18.5% fiber. I don't play the 'protien is everything' role because soooo many people go wrong with that. Do you realize that by feeding so much protien you are doing harm to your horses kidneys? Yes I know protien is the building blocks for muscle, the reason why I feed a portion of alfalfa. Protien is one of the least things you should be worried about when feeding. Check the fat, fiber, minerals, etc. You can manage a horse PERFECT on 10% feed if you feed the proper amounts and have a good quality hay. You don't need 14% protien and I would NEVER feed a 32% protien. That's just an outragous amount. Yes, supplements have it in it but for certain purposes. Im not looking to build alot of muscle on my horse. I just want him at a happy and healthy weight.
     
    12-08-2008, 10:30 PM
  #10
Yearling
All in all I would rather feed him 10 pounds of something with the right minerals and nutrients that something that is based of so much protien.
     

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