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    12-08-2008, 10:33 PM
  #11
Yearling
Ive done some reading on the Enrich 32. Its more like a supplement, not a feed. Its missing alot 5% fat would NEVER ever maintain a hard keeper and the 5.5% fiber is crazy!!!! Don't you want your horses guts moving? Fiber is a very important part of a horses diet, well they aint getting it from that!
     
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    12-08-2008, 10:40 PM
  #12
Started
Please do some research.. feeding over 5lbs in a feeding is not good for your horse... also high levels of sugars/starches can STOP a horse from eating enough hay and other stuff to gain weight ...

Do the math


11.7% is .117 lbs of protien per lb X how ever many pounds you are feeding

YOU ARE FEEDING MORE PROTIEN NOW THEN YOU WOULD BE WITH THE ENRICH

The proper levels of nutrition is what matters ... when Ihave more time I will figure the numbers on both for you ...
     
    12-08-2008, 10:45 PM
  #13
Yearling
He doesnt get over 5 lbs in a feeding, he gets 3 lbs. Sheesh....just drop the subject because no one is staying on it. He gets THE recommended amount for his size, weight, and activity. I DO NOT like Enrich because it does NOT offer what he needs in it. My question was NOT about the feed that I use but about the quanity of everything combined that I wanted to see if it was okay or not.
     
    12-08-2008, 11:30 PM
  #14
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
Let me clear just a few things up. My horse eats one 40lb bale of hay a day! It is a timothy grass mix. He eats 6 pounds (total for the day) of Purina ultium which IS the recommended amount for him right now because he's doing little to no exercise. I will NOT switch to the Enriched feeds because I don't like the 32 percent protein that comes threw them alone. When he is going through heavy workouts his feed gets increased but right now he is at little to no exercise. He also gets blanketed. But he has plenty of good quality hay, never a minute of the day does he ever go without.
Then he should be holding his weight fine. In fact, he should be too fat. The fact that he is not, says that there is either something wrong with him (teeth need done, needs to be dewormed, possibly needs tape worm dewormer, has a metabolic issue, etc.) or there is something wrong with the Ultium (or the hay could be poorer quality than it looks).

I'm telling you, my horse LOST weight on Ultium. It did something to rev up his metabolism and we had to feed him a LOT more food than should be neccessary.

Just try it, for 30 days. STOP feeding Ultium. Just feed him hay, alfalfa, some beet pulp, and a fat supplement. Throw in a vit/mineral if you want to be "safe," like the Uckele Equi-Base grass, Sellect II, or Smart Pak Smart Vit Maintenance Grass. Just bit your tongue and TRY. If it doesn't help, you can come in here and say "I told you so!" lol

Here's what I would have him on, total daily ration:
  • 2 lbs dry weight beet pulp
  • 4 lbs alfalfa (cubes, pellets, whatever)
  • 1 cup of corn oil or 2 cups of whole flax seeds
  • Uckele Equi-Base Grass
If he doesn't begin to gain weight on that and all the hay he can eat in 30 days, then there might something wrong with him. I'd have a second vet do a full blood panel on him and an exam.
     
    12-08-2008, 11:36 PM
  #15
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
Ive done some reading on the Enrich 32. Its more like a supplement, not a feed. Its missing alot 5% fat would NEVER ever maintain a hard keeper and the 5.5% fiber is crazy!!!! Don't you want your horses guts moving? Fiber is a very important part of a horses diet, well they aint getting it from that!
You should not be relying on FEED to get fiber into your horse. A horse gets all the fiber it needs from HAY. Yes, the fat is low, but that's why I recommended a secondary fat source for your boy. Once he gains weight though, he should not NEED all that fat and feed. On a good forage based diet, he should maintain on very little extra feed, even when in moderate to heavy training/competition.

Feed companies want you to THINK you need all this extra cr@p, but your horse doesn't. For a healthy gut and calories for weight and energy, your horse just needs hay. For a healthy skin, coat, and hooves, he needs just a little extra vitamins. A supplement (like Uckele's Equi-Base grass) or a Ration Balancer (like Enrich 32) provide those extra vitamins.

VERY FEW horses are truly "hard keepers". I have had a few that were sold or given to me as hard keepers, but as soon as I took them OFF all that silliness the previous owners were feeding them, WA LA! They gained weight and maintained on a LOT less food and their hooves, skin, and coat were healthier than ever...
     
    12-08-2008, 11:37 PM
  #16
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
My question was [. . .] about the quanity of everything combined that I wanted to see if it was okay or not.
A horse should eat no more than 6 lbs of total concentrates (feed, beet pulp, pellets, etc.) at a sitting.
     
    12-09-2008, 04:28 AM
  #17
Weanling
Little OT, but my mini stallion is truly a hard keeper(has been diagnosed for overactive thyroid), he use to eat 3lbs in the AM and PM of omolene 200 and still looked like a skeleton, we switched to strategy and he got a little better, then I found the ration balancer I use and voila! He looks 500X's better than ever before and ONLY eats 1lb a day! The 75lbs he was lacking(this is a 220lb mini now) was all gained back through a ration balancer and all the grass hay he could eat! Only eating 1 lb per day he gained this back in a MONTH. He is super cool headed, as he was one hot little butthead before on sweet feed and on strategy. Now he is the been there done that kind of horse and NO ONE knows he is a stallion! No kidney problems and eats all the grass hay he can eat with 1/2lb in the AM and 1/2lb in the PM. I do feed a fat supplement to him also in the winter, but in the summer he holds his own just fine on this feed. Ration balancers are not bad and just take the suggestions with a grain of salt, do not freak out about it, no one said you have to change anything.
     
    12-09-2008, 06:02 AM
  #18
Weanling
Wow! For someone who's asking a question there is a lot of defensiveness going on. Anyway, what I found to be very helpful for "hard keepers" is a probiotic supplement. I like the Source supplements. Especially for older horses. What it does is to help the horse utilize the feed he is getting whether it is hay or grain. Good luck with your horse.
     
    12-09-2008, 06:09 AM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by toosexy4myspotz    
Ive done some reading on the Enrich 32. Its more like a supplement, not a feed. Its missing alot 5% fat would NEVER ever maintain a hard keeper and the 5.5% fiber is crazy!!!! Don't you want your horses guts moving? Fiber is a very important part of a horses diet, well they aint getting it from that!
Just wanted to point out HAY IS FIBER...or did I get taught wrong when I took all those horse classes in school?
     
    12-09-2008, 08:37 AM
  #20
Yearling
Okay, the problem is not him gaining weight it was with the amount of food ALL together that was I was questioning, but anyway. I just got my guy home on November 6th and he was awful looking. I mean you could count his ribs, his hip bones and tail where very prominate, and he had extremely boney shoulders. Here is a picture of him now.... He is gaining weight FINE. This is the best he has ever gained weight. Yes, I probably shouldnt have trusted the person as much to take care of him when I moved but I didnt have a choice. Now I am having to bring him back to a healthy weight.
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