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post #1 of 11 Old 08-13-2010, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
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Feeding these as a supplement?

I posted this in Nutrition but haven't got any replies, so I'm posting it here.

So at the stable I work at they feed the horses Apple Cider Vinegar and Vegetable Oil in the morning with beet pulp. I was just wondering what all it does for horses? I have three horses so I'm always into cheap alternatives instead of expensive horse products

One thing I've learned working with horses: You can FORCE a horse to do something on a tight rein and he might do what you ask or you can TEACH a horse to do something on a loose rein and he will do it willingly with his heart.
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post #2 of 11 Old 08-13-2010, 11:26 AM
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The veggie oil adds fat and calories, although it seems a little bit of an overkill considering the animals are already getting beet pulp.

The ACV could be for several reasons. Some folks think it works as a natural fly deterrent (I haven't personally found that to be true), or they could be using it as a stomach soother, sort of as a colic preventative.

Why don't you ask them?
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Why don't you ask them?
I've only really asked about the ACV, he said its for healthy coat. Didn't mention anything about bugs. I mean I guess I can try it for the heck of it, to see what happens. It just doesn't have any side effects right?

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I've only really asked about the ACV, he said its for healthy coat. Didn't mention anything about bugs. I mean I guess I can try it for the heck of it, to see what happens. It just doesn't have any side effects right?
Actually, it does. If you feed too much of it, you can cause the horse to develop anemia.

As far as a healthy coat, that comes from the nutrition they're getting. I'm not sure ACV adds anything of real nutritional value.
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Actually, it does. If you feed too much of it, you can cause the horse to develop anemia.
I thought it was feeding garlic that could lead to anemia? And even then, the only studies were about onions causing anemia, there haven't been any related to garlic, they just assumed it might because of the relationship between onions and garlic.

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I add oil to pellets too. It's high in omega 3/omega 6, and besides the extra fat gives shine to the coat. I know some people use vinegar to help with flies and to make horses drink more.
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I thought it was feeding garlic that could lead to anemia? And even then, the only studies were about onions causing anemia, there haven't been any related to garlic, they just assumed it might because of the relationship between onions and garlic.
Ooops, yes you're right, it's garlic! My bad!

I thought there were some actual cases of overfeeding garlic causing anemia, which is why vets warn about not feeding it in quantity. Hmmm, I could be 'misremembering' that, though. I'll have to do some research.

A lot of folks use garlic and ACV as feed-through fly treatment, but I haven't found either to be effective.

Kitten, if I want my horses to drink more, I add PowerAde Zero or G2 to their water.
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I feed ACV to my horses, just under 1 cup a day. I find that it helps reduce flies, encourages water consumption, imrpoves skin & coat, and hides any supplements for picky eaters.

Oil adds fat and can put a bit of a shine on coats, but veggie or corn oil isn't very effective for coat health. Flax or Rice Bran oil (or meal) works better to improve a horse's coat condition. Flax is also good for feet and skin.
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Kitten, if I want my horses to drink more, I add PowerAde Zero or G2 to their water.
ACV is cheaper . I buy the generic brand from Walmart for $3.78 a gallon.

Also, corn and veggie oil does not contain any Omega 3 fatty acids, or a very small amount. Corn and Vegetable oil is high in Omega 6 fatty acids, which horses already get through hay and feed. If a horse gets quality pasture grazing, they are usually getting a decent amount of Omega 3 fatty acids as well. If not, or you want to add extra (won't hurt any), then using Flax Meal, Fish Oil, or Hemp oil/meal are better sources. SmartPak has their own Omega product now as well, which is more concentrated and good for horses that don't need a lot of extra fat.
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Ooops, yes you're right, it's garlic! My bad!

I thought there were some actual cases of overfeeding garlic causing anemia, which is why vets warn about not feeding it in quantity. Hmmm, I could be 'misremembering' that, though. I'll have to do some research.

A lot of folks use garlic and ACV as feed-through fly treatment, but I haven't found either to be effective.

Kitten, if I want my horses to drink more, I add PowerAde Zero or G2 to their water.
That could be. When I asked my vet about it, he said he had heard it with onions, but not with garlic. And from what I read, horses had to eat several onions a day to develop anemia.

Bugs have always found Ricci rather tasty, and she'd come in with a dozen new welts from bites every day. Since I started feeding garlic powder, she'd only get 1 or 2 a week. And it held true the next summer around, so it wasn't just related to the time I started using it.

When I heard about the possible link to anemia, I stopped using it, although I couldn't find any "proof" that garlic caused it. My vet also gave me the ok if I thought it worked. I just need to go buy some, but I have been looking into the ACV alternative. It seems to have several uses, so I'll probably give that a try...

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