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post #31 of 108 Old 06-11-2013, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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I am using the same vet who diagnosed him. The one I spoke to said everything she had told me to start sounds lik a good start but being he doesn't know me or my horse he's only judging by what he hears me say over the phone.

I have pics of his front hooves. Gimme one sec to pull em up..
I know he has long toes and under run heels and flares but they were way worse when I got him.






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post #32 of 108 Old 06-11-2013, 02:40 PM
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Navicular is a diagnosis that a lot of vets are fairly quick to make, even with out x-rays and that is because they are using it as a general term (heel pain). Getting your horse off the heel is going to help remove the concussion and will alleviate some and maybe even all the pain but the poster that mentioned the fact that it may not be a good idea without x-rays due to the founder was correct.

I forgot about the founder. If the coffin bone has rotated then there is still hope but the way the farrier works with the hoof may be different. You really are going to need the x-rays. You could even skip the nerve block if you are certain the pain is in the heel because you know the founder happened so you'll need to check the coffin bone anyway.

X-rays are usually around $10-20 per x-ray and I think for navicular you'll need at least 4 per hoof, hopefully a founder x-ray is the same type of x-ray and you can kill two birds with one stone.

I'm still not sure I agree with the idea of permanent meds. I think with the right farrier, you may be able to manage this at a lower cost then you are thinking (depending on the severety). You will have some days where you'll need pain meds and you'll have days where, if you show, or ride for long periods of time, you'll want to use the pain meds for precaution.

If it turns out there is no issue with the coffin bone and your issue is with the navicular then try the tildren shot at approximately $1200. It is an amazing drug.

And don't beat yourself up over the pre-purchase exam. For $2500, I probably would not have gotten one either.
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I've had X-rays done before and they're I think $40 per shot and they charge you a fee to bring the dang thing out. I'm currently awaiting a call back from the vet to see when is a good time for her to do them.
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I've had X-rays done before and they're I think $40 per shot and they charge you a fee to bring the dang thing out. I'm currently awaiting a call back from the vet to see when is a good time for her to do them.
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I feel for you. My farm call is $75 and then my exam fee is like $30 and it seems they charge you for every thing they do so my bill is never less than $200.

Do you know what the rotation if any on the coffin bone is?

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It was only 1-2 degrees
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Only 1-2 degrees, but it was never fixed. It wouldn't surprise me if this is the culprit.
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How old are the x-rays on the coffin bone? I truly believe your answer is going to be in a really good farrier.

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Just for clarification I did not have him when he foundered. I got him that way and I suspect he foundered awhile ago. I'm having X-rays done on Friday. The vet told me that if he wast responding to treatment that we would go ahead and take X-rays so she had questioned why I wanted them done when he was only just out on the meds so I told her receptionist about what DHW said about if he's shoed for navicular and it isn't it could cause more damage an I would like clarity on the matter.

Farmpony- the X-rays of the coffin were done in January so they're 5 months old.
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I wonder if you don't have abscesses or founder related pain? My mare isn't always sensitive just in the toe with her laminitis. She also abscessed on all four, but did it one at a time, without a lot of heat or other symptoms except lameness until the abscess blew at the coronal band. The barefoot trimmer I work with seems to think that an abscess is pretty normal any time the hoof shape is changed dramatically by trimming or shoeing. I don't think pain alone is a good way to diagnose navicular, particularly in a horse known to have other painful hoof conditions. I don't think response to the "treatment" means much either. I've definitely heard of isoxsuprine being prescribed for laminitis, and the bute should make the horse feel better no matter what he has. I might try to get a second opinion from another vet, maybe using the old radiographs.
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Just for clarification I did not have him when he foundered. I got him that way and I suspect he foundered awhile ago. I'm having X-rays done on Friday. The vet told me that if he wast responding to treatment that we would go ahead and take X-rays so she had questioned why I wanted them done when he was only just out on the meds so I told her receptionist about what DHW said about if he's shoed for navicular and it isn't it could cause more damage an I would like clarity on the matter.

Farmpony- the X-rays of the coffin were done in January so they're 5 months old.
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Good!
As you see, it could be a multitude of things, and he's been lame eversince you got him, basically. I think it's time to really find out what's wrong, and treat it, instead of trying one more " therapy" based on a good, or not, guess.
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