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post #1 of 18 Old 05-07-2011, 10:13 PM Thread Starter
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Angry Founder Help

I board my horse at a private barn where everyone takes care of their horses on their own. some of us know alot about horses and ride, some just have them as pets. one of the boarders has a grey quarter horse. he is obese and im sure he is foundering. he his a pounding pulse, he stands with his back feet under himself and standing on his heels... he is dead lame when he trots in his front and back. we just opened up our pasture for the spring and the grass is grown rather high. she has been keeping him out all day for the past week. one of the other horse owners has asked her if she was worried about ehr horse foundering and she said no he will be fine, i dont have to worry about that with him. i was wondering if anyone has any advice on how i can get her to seek vet help?

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post #2 of 18 Old 05-07-2011, 10:27 PM
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oh Lord.... would she listen if the Barn owner talked to her? Maybe it would be best to let someone in a position of authority tell her....

From my own experience, if someone "on her own level" were to tell her she would likely adopt a "I know more than you" attitude....

In any case, all you can do is explain the situation to her, voice your concerns......but if she doesn't listen, this is one of those heartbreaking times in life when there is nothing you can do.

The barn owner on the other hand, DOES have some leverage. It is HER barn, so you all have to play by her rules....so if she were to demand this horse get medical help, I cannot see how the boarder could refuse.

Wow, I hope this poor guy makes it through this. We have a fat draft horse, not quite obese, but still on the fat side....and she is allowed 4 hours of grass time MAX each day. the rest of the time she is on dry lot. We check her hooves for heat and check for increased digital pulse daily....we take our horses healthcare a bit too seriously perhaps.
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This is animal cruelty and should be thought of as such. She is ignoring the animal's pain. What is the difference between that and beating an animal - pain is pain. At least the beating will stop, what is going on in his feet won't without medical assistance.
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she is just someone who thinks she knows everything whehn she has had a horse for 2 years and ive been riding and working with horses for 13 years. she looks down on me because she thinks im still a child. but i know he is foundering. i would have the barn owner talk to her but they have absoultley no horse experience so she would just think like oh they dont know what they are talking about. im going to talk to the barn owner tomorrow and see what we can decide to do. i was also thinking about putting an article about foundering on her tack room... maybe that will show her cause honestly i dont think she knows what it means

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she is just someone who thinks she knows everything whehn she has had a horse for 2 years and ive been riding and working with horses for 13 years. she looks down on me because she thinks im still a child.
oh yes, I figured she was that type. the "you think you are so smart" type that won't listen to anyone else because they think that others are trying to put them down by saying they know more. That must be so frustrating....

Showing her an article on founder is a good idea. So is talking to the barn owner. It does not matter if the barn owner has horse experience, it's her barn and it is HER say how the animals on her property are cared for. She can tell this boarder that it has come to her attention that this horse is in need of medical care and she, the horse's owner, is obligated to see he gets it.

Good luck to you, for this horse's sake. I cannot imagine that this woman owns a horse and is not aware of the danger of spring grass and founder...if so, she is likely one of those people who owns a horse just to say "I own a horse" when they know nothing about them, nor do they care to learn.
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post #6 of 18 Old 05-08-2011, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
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yes. she is always so busy that she is in and out to feed her horse. she spends absolutley no time with him. they have almost had their horse there a year and they have ridden him once. he needs some form of excercise because he is sooooo overweight. she just thinks it is funny that her horse is fat and she thinks its cute. its not he is going to have severe problems in the next few years once he gets old. it frustrates me so much that she spends no time with him. the horse is always dying for attention. whenever i go down to take care of my horse i try to excercise her horse by chasing him around in the field and i brush him and pick his feet. i just dont understand why she has to keep him when it seems like it is a hassle to take care of him. all of the other barn owners are upset about this. but im going to print off the article about founder, put it in her tack room, go down to feed and talk to the barn owners now!

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Poor horse, if you go to my horses and click on faith, there are x-rays in there of her feet, she was a severe founder case. She was put to sleep the day after i got her(soon after the x-rays were taken) because she was so bad off...maybe print out the x-rays to show her what can happen if founder is left untreated. maybe it will scare her enough to get a vet out.
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well today i put the article in her grain box. at about 130 i get a text from her saying whoever put the article in my box please contact me now. so then i replied i put it in your box, i think your horse is foundering and iw anted you to have some information on it. and before i can even send it she shoots a text right back to me saying "what can you see that i cant" i said well your horse cant walk. she said he gets like that after his feet are trimmed.( he has eben here for almost a year and i have never seen him off after being shod) then i said well i was just letting you know what i had noticed. then she said between you and another barn owner, my horse has 3 owners. i just didnt reply as much as i wanted to and say WELL MAYBE IF YOU CARED ABOUT YOUR HORSE!!! but i just left it at that. then i went down to put my horse and my friends horse in to keep them from foundering.. she shows up and totally ignores me. tonight i am going over to the barn owners to have a chat with them... ill keep you guys posted!

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well today i put the article in her grain box. at about 130 i get a text from her saying whoever put the article in my box please contact me now. so then i replied i put it in your box, i think your horse is foundering and iw anted you to have some information on it. and before i can even send it she shoots a text right back to me saying "what can you see that i cant" i said well your horse cant walk. she said he gets like that after his feet are trimmed.( he has eben here for almost a year and i have never seen him off after being shod) then i said well i was just letting you know what i had noticed. then she said between you and another barn owner, my horse has 3 owners. i just didnt reply as much as i wanted to and say WELL MAYBE IF YOU CARED ABOUT YOUR HORSE!!! but i just left it at that. then i went down to put my horse and my friends horse in to keep them from foundering.. she shows up and totally ignores me. tonight i am going over to the barn owners to have a chat with them... ill keep you guys posted!

Haha she sounds like one of those princess types doesn't she?
Unfortunately some people are unwilling to lay down their pride or their feelings for the sake of their animal. Keep at it, and see if maybe there is someone she respects that could talk to her. If not you may just be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Oh and FYI if a horse is seriously sore after shoeing, that it can't walk, she has a bad farrier or the horse has bad feet. If she has a good farrier and the horse is still sore, then he is DEFINITELY a candidate for founder, maybe already has in the past.

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post #10 of 18 Old 05-09-2011, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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yeah the farrier isnt bad. he is one of the best i have ever used. he trimmed my horse with navicular and he is as sound as can be for him atleast. and the other farrier we had wasnt as good and the horse who is foundering was never ever ever lame. never. and i know a lame horse when i see one. with all the issues my navicular horse has had over the past three years i know. but i talked to the barn owners... they feel they cant really do anything/ dont know what to tell her. this woman comes across as very in-your-face which in a way i think i do as well so i think that is why we butt heads so much. but when it comes to the horses health im not gonna let her win. today when i went out he was about 10 times worse. he is always assuming the founder position and barely moves around. when he tried to walk up the hill my mom could even notice and she has no idea about horses. one of the older women at the barn is going to try to talk to her about it and just tell her like she cant stand to see him like this anymore and she will get the ASPCA involved if necessary because i dont think this woman has any idea how bad foundering can get if left untreated. its VERY frustrating having to watch this poor horse go to waste and at 17 years old i cant understand why someone who " runs a dog rescue" cant even acknowledge that her horse can barely walk.....

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