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    04-26-2010, 08:04 PM
  #1
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Founder/Laminitis...

I've been told that Lacey is somewhat of a founder risk. She hasn't technically foundered officially yet but she has the rings in her hooves that say that she's experienced some sort of founder like stress (or some such thing). She also gets really gassy and has really loose poo when she's on grass which makes me think that maybe all the sugar, or something, isn't agreeing with her on the inside.

But! She's coming with me to camp this summer and her little paddock area is going to have grass about 2 feet tall in it when she arrives, until she grazes it down. When we arrive in June, it's going to be just tall enough to start going to seed but not there yet. It's basically grass hay (used to be a hay field) so it will be like Lacey's just getting hay, that hasn't been turned into hay yet, I suppose...

My main concern is to keep her from foundering at all costs. I would just stick another camp horse in there before Lacey gets to camp so that it's all eaten down by the time she gets there, but I'm concerned about worms and immunities they may have but that she doesn't...
I was going to get her a grazing muzzle but they're SO expensive for what they are and I'm sure she'd make quick work of getting it off, so I'm kinda iffy about buying one.

It rains a lot up there at camp and we shouldn't have had any very warm weather yet, so I don't think the fructan levels should be very high...but I don't know. Should I do something about getting it mowed down or do you suppose she'll be fine? She's been on grass for the last month or so at home and she's doing just fine... A little gassy but nothing terrible...

What would you do? I'd hate to waste good forage if it's just fine, but I don't want to risk her well-being...
     
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    04-26-2010, 08:50 PM
  #2
Foal
I would not risk it at any cost. Having owned a laminitic horse in the past, I can tell you one never knows what will set them off. Mow the grass down. Go ahead and let another horse eat it down first. Just make sure you're up to date on worming. A $10 tube of wormer is cheaper than a vet bill for laminitis.

Pam
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    05-01-2010, 08:20 AM
  #3
Foal
Hey Wallaby,
It sounds like a dilemma for you. Please could you take the time to invest in some prevention. To qualify my comments I will give you some background. I currently specialize in therapeutic farrier work and have co-presented with Prof. Chris Pollitt on several occasions.
From your description your horse may have suffered laminitis in the past and/or could be prone to another acute attack. The vets I work with now almost always test for high insulin resistance and therefore can predict the risk and advise on diet. Something you may want to consider.
Short grass is not always the answer as the fresh shoots can be high in fructan (sugar). For articles on grasses and insulin resistance go to Safergrass.org Articles on grass carbohydrates and laminitis
The grazing muzzle may be worth while especially if the horse is high risk of laminitis. The muzzle will make him work for her feed.
If I can help please let me know.

Regards

Richard
Australian Farrier
     
    05-01-2010, 07:55 PM
  #4
Yearling
Take as many precautions as necessary. Even though a grazing muzzle is pricey, you'll be spending a helluva lot more money if she founders. I suggest investing in one and also asking them to put another horse or two in that paddock before she gets there.
     
    05-01-2010, 09:42 PM
  #5
Green Broke
Rings can mean any kind of change in your horse's diet or environment.

I would have the paddock mowed a week before you get there, or put another horse in. I wouldn't worry about parasites unless your horse is really probe to them. If so, then just give her a dose of dewormer 3-4 weeks after she arrives.

To prevent founder, ride and exercise her as much as possible, so you can burn off the sugar. Feed as little "grain" or feed as possible. The extra carbs/sugar can push a founder-prone horse over the edge quickly... If you want to feed something to round out her diet, I'd recommend ADM's StaySTRONG Metabolic Mineral pellets. I feed all of my horses this feed, even those not in any danger of founder or IR. It's a concentrated feed, you only feed 1-1.3 lbs a day for an avergae 1,000 lb horse. If your horse needs more calories, feed timothy hay pellets.
     
    05-02-2010, 12:10 AM
  #6
Foal
For what it's worth, check this article out:
http://barefoothorse.com/barefoot_Founder.html

My old Arab mare foundered twice before she died. I'm a little bit overprotective of their feet now, and that article really cleared things up for me.
     
    05-02-2010, 12:38 AM
  #7
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by PBritton2U    
I would not risk it at any cost. Having owned a laminitic horse in the past, I can tell you one never knows what will set them off. Mow the grass down. Go ahead and let another horse eat it down first. Just make sure you're up to date on worming. A $10 tube of wormer is cheaper than a vet bill for laminitis.

Pam
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^^^^^
My thoughts exactly.
     
    05-02-2010, 02:16 AM
  #8
Yearling
Sorry, not seeing the connection between worming and laminitis- anyone care to elaborate?
     
    05-02-2010, 08:38 AM
  #9
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by tealamutt    
sorry, not seeing the connection between worming and laminitis- anyone care to elaborate?
OP wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wallaby    
My main concern is to keep her from foundering at all costs. I would just stick another camp horse in there before Lacey gets to camp so that it's all eaten down by the time she gets there, but I'm concerned about worms and immunities they may have but that she doesn't...
     
    05-02-2010, 01:29 PM
  #10
Weanling
Is your horse over weight? If she is this also increases the risk of laminitis. Short grass isn't good for a horse that is at risk because all of the sugar is in the bottom when the grass just starts to grow. By the time the grass is long it is using about the same amount of sugar to sustain the whole length of the blade of grass that it does for the shorter grass. I would definetly invest in a grazing muzzle. They work wonders and are well worth the expense. If you are worried about your horse getting it off there are different typse you can get. Some attach to the halter and some come with a strap that works like a head stall.
     

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