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    03-12-2013, 02:39 PM
  #21
Yearling
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
That very short stressed grass is the most dangerous for a founder prone horse.
Really, How come? I never would have thought that.
     
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    03-12-2013, 02:50 PM
  #22
Yearling
If I were you, Id start with some real knowledge. A couple degrees can often simply be the result of a distorted hoof capsule/long toe low heel combined with a weak and poorly fed or diseased white line. Not necessarily metabolic. Its sounds like you really need a knowledgeable consensus at what is going on with your horses feet and a good once over by people who have nothing to gain one way or another by giving an opinion and pointing you in a direction. Then you can learn more and decide for yourself. I have to say that many many farriers and vets are sadly lacking in the hoof health department. Not saying yours are, just that its possible.

That horse doesnt to appear to be overweight form here although it does look out of shape. You can still have metabolic issues however or dietary issues.

I would start off with a set of photos on the hoof board before and after a rim by your current farrier shoes or not. That will really give you some insight.

My other recommendation is seeing if you can find Triple Crowns 30% supplement over the nutrena. Its vastly superior when it comes to nutrition and grows very good feet at a similar price point.

LOL as for the qualified...Youll have to make that judgement for yourself :) I have an opinion and I don't care to share it hehe. Im of the opinion to not take anything ANYONE says as gospel, only advice. No matter the title they bear. Know and research for yourself ;) Being informed is never bad.
     
    03-12-2013, 03:11 PM
  #23
Trained
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Originally Posted by Spotted    
Really, How come? I never would have thought that.
Because it's full of sugars to grow but can't....being eaten, drought, frost etc.
Very good. Info on that is on Katy Watts | Safergrass.org
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    03-12-2013, 03:11 PM
  #24
Green Broke
I am pretty relieved you said he isn't very fat. He is definitely out of shape. I pulled his shoes for winter and haven't done much with him besides walking bareback. I did post before/after pix on here before. My farrier showed me that he had a 'stretched' white line which he old me meant that my guy was very lame at one point. (Hopefully I used the terminology right)

The vet did tell me to have the farrier take off more toe, though.

I'm trying to do what's best for him. I do plan to do alot of riding this summer with him once I get these shoes back on. He isn't so ouchy that he's lame but he is ouchy on and off in different terrains.

Here are a few more from the other day. I do think he needs a regular workout program which will start once my grass arena isn't a mud hole and he has shoes.

This is from over a month ago at our old barn.


This is probably two weeks ago (he doesn't look abnormally chubby here)-


An these are a Few days old-


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    03-12-2013, 03:16 PM
  #25
Trained
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Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
If I were you, Id start with some real knowledge. A couple degrees can often simply be the result of a distorted hoof capsule/long toe low heel combined with a weak and poorly fed or diseased white line. Not necessarily metabolic. Its sounds like you really need a knowledgeable consensus at what is going on with your horses feet and a good once over by people who have nothing to gain one way or another by giving an opinion and pointing you in a direction. Then you can learn more and decide for yourself. I have to say that many many farriers and vets are sadly lacking in the hoof health department. Not saying yours are, just that its possible.

That horse doesnt to appear to be overweight form here although it does look out of shape. You can still have metabolic issues however or dietary issues.

I would start off with a set of photos on the hoof board before and after a rim by your current farrier shoes or not. That will really give you some insight.

My other recommendation is seeing if you can find Triple Crowns 30% supplement over the nutrena. Its vastly superior when it comes to nutrition and grows very good feet at a similar price point.

LOL as for the qualified...Youll have to make that judgement for yourself :) I have an opinion and I don't care to share it hehe. Im of the opinion to not take anything ANYONE says as gospel, only advice. No matter the title they bear. Know and research for yourself ;) Being informed is never bad.
This^ last paragraph is exactly why I think you're qualified
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    03-12-2013, 03:37 PM
  #26
mls
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Originally Posted by Trinity3205    
That horse doesnt to appear to be overweight form here although it does look out of shape. You can still have metabolic issues however or dietary issues.
To add to the out of shape - there is a "hay belly" - due to the poor quality hay. Honestly - it looks like straw. A horse will eat and eat to try and get the nutrition it needs but the body can't process fast enough to eliminate the roughage.
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    03-12-2013, 04:27 PM
  #27
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Cowgirls Boots    
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This is probably two weeks ago (he doesn't look abnormally chubby here)-



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LOL sorry, Hon, but he IS fat.
Sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees if we are used to looking at them.

I had a rude shock last spring when I took my mare to auburn for an eye problem. I "thought" she looked wonderful. When they did a body score they graded her at an 8/9!!!
I asked the vet if she was REALLY that fat and they assured me she was, no doubt about it.

I put her on a very strict diet of hay with a cup twice a day of timothy pellets with a vit./mineral and felt that I was starving her to death but the weight came off. As a good side effect her hooves became fantastic, made of iron now I think.
     
    03-12-2013, 04:36 PM
  #28
Yearling
The best way to tell if your horse is getting metabolically fat IMO is to palpate his body critically. I first look at the crest of the horse as its a dead giveaway most of the time once you know what to look for. A metabolic horse will start getting a hard, firm and often lumpy crest. When that happens, its well past time for a diet. A normal crest will still have a bit of fat to it and will have a slight arch to it, but it will be smooth appearing, softer feeling and flow with the horse. This is just in general. There are always exceptions such as with older stallions.

Also, tail head fat is telltale - look and feel around the tail head and the point of the buttocks. If it is looking lumpy or bulgy, time for a diet.

Also feel for ribs. It is typically desirable to be able to feel them slightly through the hair but not see them. There are exceptions to this also. Harder to tell when the horse is in winter coat. If you cinch up and there is a definite fat roll in front of and behind the cinch, horse is probably a bit of a porker ;)

So in the end you really gotta get your hands on the horse and grade the areas of his body and see what the horse generally looks like. I see what looks like a thick made stock horse type that has a thick winter coat. Looks a bit out of shape and like regular riding would do alot for him. Agree with the hay comment. He might be a bit fat in the new pictures. Only you can really tell. He really has a thick stock horse look to him so IMO its hard to tell without getting a hand on them. Some of them get wide necks and not so much a crest. His butt doesnt look fat to me at all but his front end looks a bit heavy.

Id certainly look for Triple Crown. It can fill alot of holes. We also have alot of poor grass hay here so I understand the situation. You just gotta read everything you can get your hands on and really look critically at his feet. Get opinions and read read read. Don't take anyone's word as the gospel till you weight it and measure it yourself. I don't care how long they have been doing it. People often do things exactly wrong for alot of years ;)
     
    03-12-2013, 05:10 PM
  #29
Weanling
Thought y'all might be interested in what a mare graded 8/9 looked like.
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    03-12-2013, 05:12 PM
  #30
Weanling
And this is how she looks now.!CID__1031071741c.jpg
     

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