Founder.. (x rays & shoe photos)

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    09-13-2009, 09:48 PM
Founder.. (x rays & shoe photos)

I am getting a mare whom is currently in a founder cituation. She has rapid growth and normally gets her feet trimmed every 5weeks. So luckly her feet grow fast so her founder is aparently clearing up quick. She is a level 4 dressage mare. 8years old. Registered Hanoverian.

The farrier the current owner is using will hopefully continue to do her feet as they look great. The vet & farrier agreed back in early august that 4months with no riding ect. She will be turned out with a grazing muzzle when I get her. Also any recamendations on grains. We fed Mccaulleys Brothers right now. I was thinking a cup of M30 would be ok. Oh just like a handful to keep her from going nuts when the rest of the barn is grained. She foundered back in April/may and it was caught right away.

Heres the X-rays (sorry not sure which foot is which..



Left Rollar shoe ground for more breakover

Both classic roller shoe Left added toe rocker

Before equipack added

After equipack...note-space toe area for no pressure

Finished shod
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    09-13-2009, 10:23 PM
I really don't know anything about founder... could you tell me what the x-ray is supposed to show? Like what in the x-ray is off from what it's supposed to be?
    09-13-2009, 10:26 PM
Do you see the little gas pockets? By her toes?
    09-13-2009, 10:32 PM
Those dark spots?
    09-14-2009, 11:44 AM
Yeah, that's about all I know... lol that's why I posted pics
    09-14-2009, 11:58 AM
You're also looking for rotation of P3 (the bottom bone) away from the angle of the hoof wall. In other words the angle of the bone (inner, densely white structure) should be exactly parallel to the hoof wall (outer, more gray like structure). Increasing the angle means the bone is rotating away and any rotation is irreversable. The gas pockets of separation are what you can control by catching founder early as this one looks like it was (little to no rotation). Good luck with your girl!
    09-14-2009, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the info. Good luck with her!
    09-15-2009, 09:54 AM
Gas pockets? Haven't heard that description before. Tealamutt's right that 'founder' generally means 'rotation' of the bone inside the capsule - or the capsule around the bone, whichever way you want to look at it. It can also mean 'sinking' in the hoof - hence the term 'founder' - with or without rotation tho. This is far more common - eg 'flat footed' horses. Founder with rotation may be due to more mechanical effects such as high heels. The bottom of P3 should also be close to ground parallel.

The 'gas pockets' you're seeing are separation & likely infection between the wall & laminae. The wedge shaped solid section between the wall & P3(coffin bone) is lamellar wedge - laminar material which has filled in the void that's been created.

Rotation is definitely not likely to be irreversible, altho bone loss due to serious founder may be. Full rehabilitation is definitely possible in most cases, given the right care. As the cause of initial laminitis which can lead to the condition is metabolic - related to diet / nutrition problems, ensuring that is put right is no. 1 on the list. Trimming the horse so as to relieve the disconnected walls and allow strong connections to form & grow down without being torn is important, as is lowering heels to bring P3 more ground parallel, and providing *comfortable* support for the sole & frog(as with boots/pads, so that they can take a supporting role - actually they need to do more than that while the walls are too damaged to support anything. Free movement & lots of exercise are other important factors.

I do not *generally* agree with giving horses grain or starchy feeds, especially if they have or are prone to laminitis, especially if it can't be given over at least 3 or more feeds daily. But while grass/hay is great for providing the bulk, it's unlikely to provide necessary balanced nutrition. Therefore feeding a good quality complete supplement is important. Giving it to her in a little lucerne chaff or such won't hurt.
    09-15-2009, 01:24 PM
I have dealt with three foundered horses (boarders horses) at my barn. One horse eventually had to be put down (over 3 degrees of rotation) the other died of old age (she foundered in her late 20's and lived to be 30, so she did live a couple years with little to no pain). The other horse foundered when she was a four year old and is now approaching 20 years but is severely/chronically lame.

I don't know what you are paying for this horse, (assuming is at pretty high price tag given the mares training and career) but I would strongly urge you not to purchase a horse that has foundered, especially given that you want to do serious work with this animal. You might be able to use her for a given amount of years, but generally speaking this usually ends up as a chronic condition that you'll either pass on to someone else, or deal with for the rest of the horses life.

There are plenty of horses out there for sale right now, continue to shop around would be my advice.

Just food for thought.
    09-15-2009, 10:28 PM
OH! 7 ponies is right- I somehow missed that you were purchasing this mare. I strongly advise against it, unless you are getting her for a nominal "adoption fee". The prognosis isn't always guarded, sometimes even good but no matter how you slice it, it is uncertain and I would be very careful about spending money on a foundered horse!

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